Originally posted by ivanhoeIt's none of outsiders' business what kind of government Palestinians eventually decide to have. I seriously doubt they will wind up with a Sharia based one.
.... "of more interest" ... oops ...... anyway, that's also in the Charter. They want to erect an Islamist Sharia state .... and we know what that means.
Originally posted by no1marauderOpen your eyes, marauder. ... and see for yourself ... There is already an Islamist state in Gaza ... but not for long .... Fatah will see to that.
It's none of outsiders' business what kind of government Palestinians eventually decide to have. I seriously doubt they will wind up with a Sharia based one.
Originally posted by ivanhoeHamas' present popularity is based on nothing more than their willingness to aggressively resist Israeli oppression. Once the Israelis are forced to cede the Palestinians a free and independent State, Hamas will fade as a political force. There's little indication that Palestinians are inclined to a theocratic state.
Open your eyes, marauder. ... and see for yourself ... There is already an Islamist state in Gaza ... but not for long .... Fatah will see to that.
Originally posted by spruce112358Still not understood the Hamas Charter then huh ....
Partly right, partly wrong. The charter is a declaration of war -- against Zionism, not against Jews.
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Denying and twisting the truth about the Holocaust, an anti-Semite hobby:
http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=Hamas+Jews&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=f#
Originally posted by whodeyZionists or backers of Zionists? Follow that through and its hard not to fall over a Rothschild or three and if you keep going then its full circle to the Jewish banking conspiracy and then surely its welcome back Hitler all is forgiven!?
You got is all wrong man. The Zionists are at the heart of the division between Hamas and Fatah. As a matter of fact, the Zionists are to blame for the division of the Royal Houses as well. 😉
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Originally posted by spruce112358I'm beggining to doubt whether or not Hamas and their charter are going to matter anymore.
One would think from various posts that the Hamas charter called for killing Jews. It does not.
According to their charter, Hamas opposes Zionism, not Judaism. Hamas is against the existence of the Israeli Zionist government. In other words, they are for regime change in Palestine -- not for Jewish deaths per se.
At several points, the Hamas c that if your religion tells you to wear a funny hat -- who am I to comment on how it looks?
Egypt and Iran don't get along all that well and Egypt has been getting fed up with Irans puppets in Gaza. They were not happy when Hamas staged thet Crasj the Border party a couple months ago and they've been badmouthing Hamas since the beginning of this latest go round.
I'm guessing this little act by Iran announcing a hit contract on Mubarak:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/iranians-announce-1-million-reward-for.html
Is going to make it a no-brainer for Egypt to step up on this idea:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052599.html
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Originally posted by kmax87The Jewish banking conspiracy is just the tip of the ice burg my friend. They were also responsible for 9/11 and the current credit crisis among other things. In fact, I just recently got over charged for my telephone bill the other day and when I complained to the operator she said, "Oy vey!!" I knew it all along.
Zionists or backers of Zionists? Follow that through and its hard not to fall over a Rothschild or three and if you keep going then its full circle to the Jewish banking conspiracy and then surely its welcome back Hitler all is forgiven!?
Now I don't want you to think I'm anti-semitic mind you, its just those Zionists who are behind all the Jews I'm against. 😛
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Originally posted by MerkIs it really surprising that Hamas has been driven into the arms of Iran? But I can't believe that an Arab would willingly act as a Persian puppet -- the love doesn't go that far. More likely it's a case of strange bedfellows.
I'm beggining to doubt whether or not Hamas and their charter are going to matter anymore.
Egypt and Iran don't get along all that well and Egypt has been getting fed up with Irans puppets in Gaza. They were not happy when Hamas staged thet Crasj the Border party a couple months ago and they've been badmouthing Hamas since the beginning of this latest go rou ainer for Egypt to step up on this idea:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052599.html
As for Egypt: "President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has been the President of the Republic since October 14, 1981." 27 years in power?
"Although power is ostensibly organized under a multi-party semi-presidential system, whereby the executive power is theoretically divided between the President and the Prime Minister, in practice it rests almost solely with the President who traditionally has been elected in single-candidate elections for more than fifty years. The last presidential election, in which Mubarak won a fifth consecutive term, was held in September 2005."
So in Egypt, we discover -- what? Another US-backed strongman. Can you say, Shah of Iran?
So the Iranians don't get along with somone who is in the image of someone they toppled? Makes sense.
Again -- and logic has always held a certain appeal -- if you ignore the fact that you are "supposed" to hate Muslims and love Jews and if you also ignore what the US Political system (i.e. Bush-Cheney) expects you to believe -- you suddenly arrive at the rather startling conclusion that the other side has a point.
Originally posted by spruce112358Is it really surprising that Hamas has been driven into the arms of Iran? But I can't believe that an Arab would willingly act as a Persian puppet -- the love doesn't go that far. More likely it's a case of strange bedfellows. [/]
Is it really surprising that Hamas has been driven into the arms of Iran? But I can't believe that an Arab would willingly act as a Persian puppet -- the love doesn't go that far. More likely it's a case of strange bedfellows.
As for Egypt: "President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has been the President of the Republic since October 14, 1981." 27 years in po ...[text shortened]... u suddenly arrive at the rather startling conclusion that the other side has a point.
Hamas had started very much as a Shia movement, similar to Hezbalaah, hence both groups getting funding from Shia Iran. That they're bedfellows is not that strange.
[i]As for Egypt: "President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has been the President of the Republic since October 14, 1981." 27 years in power?
"Although power is ostensibly organized under a multi-party semi-presidential system, whereby the executive power is theoretically divided between the President and the Prime Minister, in practice it rests almost solely with the President who traditionally has been elected in single-candidate elections for more than fifty years. The last presidential election, in which Mubarak won a fifth consecutive term, was held in September 2005."
So in Egypt, we discover -- what? Another US-backed strongman. Can you say, Shah of Iran?
Another fine example of a can't win. If the US does support Eqypt, we're somehow doing something bad, but if the US doesn't, we'd be getting the same amount of greif because we're not supporting moderate nations, or not supporting a country because we don't like they're form of government, or it would show our pro-Israeli bias or some such excuse. Please try to reign in your Blame America First bias.
So the Iranians don't get along with somone who is in the image of someone they toppled? Makes sense.
And who's Iran to complain about Egypts government? Irans a oligarchy, for crying out loud. What makes an oligarch who stays in power for decades any better than a monarch? And more importantly, it's very arguably an act of war. I wouldn't be surprised if Egypt treated it as such. And since they can't and have no desire to go to war with Iran, I would expect we'll see Egypt fight a proxy war in Palestine by supporting the opposition and cracking down on Hamas smuggling.
Again -- and logic has always held a certain appeal -- if you ignore the fact that you are "supposed" to hate Muslims and love Jews and if you also ignore what the US Political system (i.e. Bush-Cheney) expects you to believe -- you suddenly arrive at the rather startling conclusion that the other side has a point.
Logic? What's logical about Iran putting out a hit contract on an Egyptian monarch, thereby drawing them closer to Israel and dragging them into a proxy war in Palestine? I thought you supported the Palestinians. And the US political system is not Bush-Cheney. You can stuff that nonsense back up your bung where it came from. You're better than that. The US position in regards to Palestine, Israel and they're neighbors has been largely unchanged for decades and you know it.
And I'm not sure what they're point is. Perhaps that Israel is bad, or a mistake. I wouldn't agree with the first, but I'd agree with the second.
Originally posted by no1marauderjust like It's none of outsiders' business what kind of government Israel has, why is there a disagreement with a jewish state if there are a lot of muslim states?
It's none of outsiders' business what kind of government Palestinians eventually decide to have. I seriously doubt they will wind up with a Sharia based one.