Originally posted by whodeySo you think with respect to foreign relations the only thing the US government should apologize to the world is for the growth of the federal government?
SURE!! It might begin by apologizing to its citizenery for ignoring the majority who oppose the NHC plan or for following the lead of the socialized European countries by copying their health care plans or cap and trade legislation. It could begin by apologizing for forsaking the role of leadership within the world. It used to be that the world copied the ...[text shortened]... ing the federal income tax. What say you? How about we put the beast on a much needed diet?
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnNo silly, what I am saying is that with increased wealth and power comes increased abuse and corruption. Now as to whether they want to "apologize" for something that comes naturally then I suppose they can do that if they like, however, I say you apologize in ACTION, not words. In addition, make it so they no longer have the potential for such abuses again which will inevitably occur by decreasing its size. That would be the first action of apology from my perspective.
So you think with respect to foreign relations the only thing the US government should apologize to the world is for the growth of the federal government?
What say you?
Originally posted by whodeyI never said there was no hypocrisy, I was only saying that I don't understand why people get so touchy about the treatment of terrorists, as if they hadn't done anything wrong.
He is trying to convey the federal governments abuses and hypocrisy around the world.....as if that were a hard thing to do.
Originally posted by generalissimoYou'd rather treat terrorists as if they hadn't done anything wrong......
I never said there was no hypocrisy, I was only saying that I don't understand why people get so touchy about the treatment of terrorists, as if they hadn't done anything wrong.
Like here.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40940000/jpg/_40940337_clinton_adams_203.jpg
Originally posted by generalissimoFor the life of me, I don't know why people only whine and moan about the actions of a corrupt federal government when they should be whining and moaning about the fact that it is inherently corrupt.
I never said there was no hypocrisy, I was only saying that I don't understand why people get so touchy about the treatment of terrorists, as if they hadn't done anything wrong.
Originally posted by whodeyI'm saying apologizing in the action of eliminating the income tax and shrinking the government would be a pointless apology.
No silly, what I am saying is that with increased wealth and power comes increased abuse and corruption. Now as to whether they want to "apologize" for something that comes naturally then I suppose they can do that if they like, however, I say you apologize in ACTION, not words. In addition, make it so they no longer have the potential for such abuses again ...[text shortened]... ing its size. That would be the first action of apology from my perspective.
What say you?
Apology in action is a good thing and I think it has to come with the verbal apology for the verbal apology to be more meaningful. That's why I think the dept of justice should investigate and prosecute all cases of torture that violated the law no matter who or how high that goes.
Originally posted by whodeyall governments are corrupt, what differs between them is the level of corruption.
For the life of me, I don't know why people only whine and moan about the actions of a corrupt federal government when they should be whining and moaning about the fact that it is inherently corrupt.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundNot to mention:
As America flaunt their own laws by holding prisoners in another country so they can torture them, pay security companies in Iraq to assasinate people, and pay for South American Coups - the Head of the FBI Strongly objects to The Scottish Justice minister "Showing Compassion". It seems that threatened to kill a suspect's children and sexually assa ...[text shortened]... e "act stupidly", where do the Americans get off telling the world what is right or wrong?
A post I made on another forum:
Now to the exact case at hand. Mr. Megrahi.
An Iranian passenger plane (IAF 655, to be precise) is shot down by the US navy (the USS Vincennes, to be precise) killing 290 passengers, of which more than 50 were children. In the 90’s the US paid 62 million $ in damages to Iran over this little mishap. However, and more to the point: In 1990, President George H. W. Bush awarded Capt. Rogers the Legion of Merit decoration "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989." The award was given for his service as the Commanding Officer of the Vincennes.
The IAF 655 flight happened in the July. The Pan Am fight (PA 103, to be precise) was in the December and killed 270 people in total.
All reliable sources point to a tit-for-tat by the Iranian secret service. However, two suspects were arrested, one of them Mr. Megrahi.
And so the kangaroo court was opened in the Netherlands, using Scottish law.
Mr. Megrahi was found guilty because clothes packed next to a bomb could be traced to a shop. And the shopkeeper said he recognized the photo of Mr. Megrahi as a customer. Mr. Megrahi’s photo, by this time, had been all over the newspapers.
So, the man was convicted because he might have bought clothes in the same shop as the bomber.
Libya paid 2.7$ BILLION in damages to the families.
Funny how the compensation packets are so strikingly different, considering it’s roughly the same number of victims?
Funny how one man is a terrorist and the other receives a medal, considering (if they did do it) it’s exactly the same crime.
Funny how you hear so much more of one case than the other. ESPECIALLY considering one is most likely a reaction to the other.
Funny how Mr. Megrahi is a terrorist and locked up for terrorism, considering Libya had to pay compensation. Surely that would mean Mr. Megrahi was working FOR the Libyan government, and should therefore be treated as a soldier and the Libyan government should be held solely responsible for the actions?
Originally posted by PsychoPawnOk, never mind what I said about a hoplessly corrupt and over bloated federal governmnet. In fact, lets take the far left approach and lobby for more federal control and more tax dollars rolling into Washington, only, don't come a whining to me when the abuse and throw around all that power. All I can say is, I told you so!!
I'm saying apologizing in the action of eliminating the income tax and shrinking the government would be a pointless apology.
Apology in action is a good thing and I think it has to come with the verbal apology for the verbal apology to be more meaningful. That's why I think the dept of justice should investigate and prosecute all cases of torture that violated the law no matter who or how high that goes.
Originally posted by generalissimoWhich has to do with their power. So tell me, which corrupt governments in the world today, which are all of them to some degree, have the most potential for abuses to occur?
all governments are corrupt, what differs between them is the level of corruption.
Originally posted by whodeylooks like your anti-government paranoia is getting out of control.
Ok, never mind what I said about a hoplessly corrupt and over bloated federal governmnet. In fact, lets take the far left approach and lobby for more federal control and more tax dollars rolling into Washington, only, don't come a whining to me when the abuse and throw around all that power. All I can say is, I told you so!!
Originally posted by whodeyOk.. feel free to continue misrepresenting and misreading what I am actually saying and replacing that with whatever your anti-government fetish requires. Just don't expect me to take you seriously when you do.
Ok, never mind what I said about a hoplessly corrupt and over bloated federal governmnet. In fact, lets take the far left approach and lobby for more federal control and more tax dollars rolling into Washington, only, don't come a whining to me when the abuse and throw around all that power. All I can say is, I told you so!!
Originally posted by generalissimoSounds like you don't mind the government coming between you and your doctor nor do you mind them telling you how much energy you can consume and how to consume it. All I can say is, enjoy!!! 😀
looks like your anti-government paranoia is getting out of control.