Originally posted by whodeyIf there was no free healthcare, jobs, drivers liscence, and education here for them they would have to stay home and gang up to make their own country better.
Has anyone done a serious cost analysis regarding cost of securing the border verses the costs associated with the tax payers paying for illegals via medical care and schooling etc?
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Originally posted by joe beyserActually, some of the most violent gangs in the world come from Mexico. Do you think they care much about these things?
If there was no free healthcare, jobs, drivers liscence, and education here for them they would have to stay home and gang up to make their own country better.
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Originally posted by MelanerpesSo basically you are in favor of true universal coverage? In fact, why not just cover the entire world? After all, all those poor people living around the world in need of medical coverage, they are human beings as well, no? The only retort, if you don't agree, would be that it is simply not economically feasible to cover everyone world wide, however, isn't that what we are talking about here? However, if you do agree, then either health care will be rationed or the government will go belly up.
Perhaps we will eventually figure out what to do with them - either making them all legal, or sending them all back (or perhaps a combination of both). But even as they remain in limbo, they're still human beings - they should have access to coverage.[/b]
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Originally posted by PalynkaWell if they are on death row, do we treat them the same as we would the average citizen? I think that health care for inmates should be rationed. In addition, I am in favor of reducing inmate populations by finding ways to make them pay for their crimes up front rather than locking them up indefinately. 'For example, for minor offenses perhaps a good lashing and let them go. Instead of inmantes on death row for 20 years, speed up the process etc.
Should murderers or rapists be denied health care in this universal health care system?
Anyone that answers "no", should be able to answer the question of the original poster.
Originally posted by whodeyI am not talking about criminal gangs. I am talking about people over there getting together and putting an end to their corrupt government.
Actually, some of the most violent gangs in the world come from Mexico. Do you think they care much about these things?
Originally posted by joe beyserActually, I hear the Mexican government promotes illegals coming to the US because they bring US dollars back to Mexico. If nothing else, they make a higher wage, even if it is below our minimum wage. For these reasons alone, they will come.
I am not talking about criminal gangs. I am talking about people over there getting together and putting an end to their corrupt government.
Originally posted by whodeyNot if they cant have a job here. It sounds hard core, but we should not enable them to have a corrupt govenment.
Actually, I hear the Mexican government promotes illegals coming to the US because they bring US dollars back to Mexico. If nothing else, they make a higher wage, even if it is below our minimum wage. For these reasons alone, they will come.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, the Panama Canal wasn't exactly cheap to build.
Has anyone done a serious cost analysis regarding cost of securing the border verses the costs associated with the tax payers paying for illegals via medical care and schooling etc?
Hey, why not just build another "Panama Canal", only it woould be along the US border? That way the US could benefit in the long term financially from the endevour while at the same time sealing off the border?
Just call me crazy!!
Another thing to consider: People use boats to flee Cuba to Florida everyday. It's a 90 mile voyage over shark infested water. They usually do it in makeshift rafts because they can't get any other materials. If the Cubans can do it under those conditions, I think these Mexicans would have no trouble with a moat.
Here's a study from the CBO on the subject: If it get too technical, just look at the last part called "Potential Economic Effects."
I'll look for other studies.
sounds like an obvious question but its not .. don't think any country can afford health care for illegals
but plently still end up paying for it .... used to temp in a company that looked at fraud health care claims ... think the op is right ... fine / close the businesses that hire them ... enforce existing laws
had a fraud reduction idea that all companies should have to display there tax returns ... get issued with a sign to put in the window saying 'compliant' and checkable reference code .... would solve a lot of trouble