Originally posted by telerionWell, I did say this was off the top of my head didn't I? Do you think these things are impossible to do? Isn't re-establishing the rule of law worth the effort?
(A) is reasonable
(B) some electronic verification system makes sense. E-Verify may be good. I don't know.
(C) Yes, but how? That's the rub. You can go after banks. That takes care of accounts. The kinds of illegal immigrants people think of (poor Mexicans) don't buy houses anyway. They rent. I don't see how you're going to stop that. Are you goi ...[text shortened]... l care to anyone who can't verify citizenship in the ER we'd reduce our numbers a bit.
Without going through the whole list trying to lay out some detailed policy that will satisfy you (though why should I have to if congress can't even provide detail before holding a vote?), I will just say that all of the processes I mentioned like getting a job, an account, a loan, a rented apartment etc.. already have a built in choke point where the identity of the applicant is supposed to be established. The trick is to require that this step actually works, and the applicant who fails the test does not get the job or whatever.
Look at E-Verify. The most credible info I could find on it in my extensive 45 second Google session is from the 2008 testimony to congress of the director of USCIS.
Link here..
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/Scharfen080610.pdf
Read at least enough of it to understand how users of the system can actually use it to confirm matches (or mis-matches) of photographs on commonly used pieces of ID. Then imagine if we had the will to require people to use this system, or one like it, when hiring, renting, or giving out loans.
Again, I'm not talking about actively raiding apartment complexes to find illegal immigrants and so on. We don't have the resources for that. But we could make it very difficult for illegal immigrants to live in this country by requiring ALL people to be truly identified every time they try to do these things. Enforcement could be passive, but punitive. Employers who can't show proof of such verification at tax time don't have to be allowed to deduct the wages of unverified employees as a business expense, for example. Eventually illegal immigrants will find it so hard to live here that many/most will leave, and others will stop coming. Then we would have rule of law.
Originally posted by generalissimoWe the United States should enforce existing laws to make illegal immigration unfeasable. That would leave the mexicans with the choice of doing nothing and enduring their govenments corruption and poor economy, or do something about it.
by "we should not enable them to have a corrupt govenment" I assumed you were saying the US shouldn't enable them to have a corrupt government.
Originally posted by whodeyThat's a different issue. Who wants the criminal gang-members? I say when they're caught, they could be handed to the nativists and skinheads for punishment, the rest of the natives and undocumented immigrants are better off without them... either of them. Crazy extremists on either side are not good for anything.
Actually, some of the most violent gangs in the world come from Mexico. Do you think they care much about these things?
Originally posted by whodeyWhat about public executions? The authorities could even charge a ticket and thus raise funds without taxation. That would be great. Maybe dedicated modern versions of the Colosseum would also increase tourism. Everybody wins, eh?
Well if they are on death row, do we treat them the same as we would the average citizen? I think that health care for inmates should be rationed. In addition, I am in favor of reducing inmate populations by finding ways to make them pay for their crimes up front rather than locking them up indefinately. 'For example, for minor offenses perhaps a good lashing and let them go. Instead of inmantes on death row for 20 years, speed up the process etc.
Originally posted by whodeyForget securing the border. Make it unfeasable for illegals to make a living here. If there is no incentive to come here they wont.
Has anyone done a serious cost analysis regarding cost of securing the border verses the costs associated with the tax payers paying for illegals via medical care and schooling etc?
Hey, why not just build another "Panama Canal", only it woould be along the US border? That way the US could benefit in the long term financially from the endevour while at the same time sealing off the border?
Just call me crazy!!
Originally posted by generalissimoAgreed.
send them back.
1--Build Big Wall.
2--Hire enough agents so that all illegal aliens that are discovered are moved to said wall and deposited on other side (and No, I do NOT care if it bankrupts the treasury; hire what we need to get the job done and use the Armed Services as well).
3--Eliminate those who try to gain entrance illegally in the future.
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat's that Palynka, start with the Portuguese? Include the Portuguese in Brazil you say? Sure, why not, what would it matter to you out there?
What about public executions? The authorities could even charge a ticket and thus raise funds without taxation. That would be great. Maybe dedicated modern versions of the Colosseum would also increase tourism. Everybody wins, eh?