15 Sep 10
BS! Vince Young should have gotten it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_heisman_bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/09/heisman-trophy-trust-decides-to-leave-reggie-bushs-award-vacant/1
What would you have done with the 2005 Heisman Trophy if you were a part of the Heisman Trust?
Allow Reggie Bush to keep the award
30%
Give it to Vince Young, who was second in voting
44%
Vacate award
25%
Vote TOTAL VOTES: 265
15 Sep 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotI'd leave it with Bush. So he got some money and other benefits? BFD. It's not like he killed anyone; that was an entirely different USC running back.
BS! Vince Young should have gotten it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_heisman_bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/09/heisman-trophy-trust-decides-to-leave-reggie-bushs-award-vacant/1
What would you have done with the 2005 Heisman Trophy if you were a part of the Heisman Trust?
Allow Reggie ...[text shortened]...
Give it to Vince Young, who was second in voting
44%
Vacate award
25%
Vote TOTAL VOTES: 265
15 Sep 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotYoung didn't earn it on the field and doesn't deserve it.
BS! Vince Young should have gotten it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_heisman_bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/09/heisman-trophy-trust-decides-to-leave-reggie-bushs-award-vacant/1
What would you have done with the 2005 Heisman Trophy if you were a part of the Heisman Trust?
Allow Reggie ...[text shortened]...
Give it to Vince Young, who was second in voting
44%
Vacate award
25%
Vote TOTAL VOTES: 265
15 Sep 10
Originally posted by no1maraudereat them words, yankee!
Young didn't earn it on the field and doesn't deserve it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young
In his All-America 2005 season, Young led the Longhorns to an 11–0 regular season record. The Longhorns held a #2 ranking in the preseason, and held that ranking through the season except for one week when they were ranked #1 in the Bowl Championship Series.[17] Texas then won the Big 12 championship game and still held their #2 BCS ranking, which earned them a berth in the National Championship Rose Bowl game against the USC Trojans. Before the game, the USC Trojans were being discussed on ESPN and other media outlets as possibly the greatest college football team of all time. Riding a 34-game winning streak, including the previous National Championship, USC featured two Heisman Trophy winners in the backfield - quarterback Matt Leinart (2004 Heisman winner) and running back Reggie Bush (2005 Heisman winner).
In the 2006 Rose Bowl, Vince Young put on one of the most dominating individual performances in college football history, accounting for 467 yards of total offense (200 rushing, 267 passing) and three rushing touchdowns (including a 9 yard TD scramble with 19 seconds left) to lead the Longhorns to a thrilling 41–38 victory. This performance led to him winning Rose Bowl MVP honors for the second consecutive season—becoming only the fourth player, in the history of the Rose Bowl, to be twice named MVP (and the only player from the Big 12 Conference). After the game, former USC and NFL safety Ronnie Lott said "Vince Young is the greatest quarterback to ever play college football."[10] Trojans coach Pete Carroll said "that was the best [performance] I've seen by one guy."[18] Young finished the season with 3,036 yards passing and 1,050 yards rushing earning him the Davey O'Brien Award.[19]
Early in his collegiate career, Vince Young had been criticized as "great rusher...average passer", and his unconventional throwing motion had been criticized as being "side-arm"[20] as opposed to the conventional "over the top" throwing motion typically used by college quarterbacks. However, by the 2005 season most of the criticism had faded, and he developed into a consistent and precise passer. Young concluded the 2005 regular season as the #1 rated passer in the nation. Including the Big 12 Championship game and the Rose Bowl, he finished as the #3 rated passer in the nation, with a quarterback rating of 163.9.[21]
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Sean Jones, a member of the Oakland Raiders' personnel department, said:
"All I need to know about Vince Young is that he came up with one of the greatest performances ever in the Rose Bowl. In the fourth quarter, I saw (USC coach) Pete Carroll throw every kind of blitz at Vince. I saw Vince read the blitz and beat the blitz. I don't care what his Wonderlic score is. The only score I care about is 41–38."[36]
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15 Sep 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotHis performance in the Rose Bowl is irrelevant to the Heisman which is based solely on regular season play. Bush won the Heisman vote not Young.
eat them words, yankee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young
In his All-America 2005 season, Young led the Longhorns to an 11–0 regular season record. The Longhorns held a #2 ranking in the preseason, and held that ranking through the season except for one week when they were ranked #1 in the Bowl Championship Series.[17] Texas then won the Big 1 ...[text shortened]... what his Wonderlic score is. The only score I care about is 41–38."[36]
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15 Sep 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotI don't. But Young who got about 1/10 of the first place votes as Bush did (http://www.manlyweb.com/sports/football/ncaa/heisman_votes.htm) doesn't deserve the Heisman just because Bush violated some off the field rules.
so sorry, Bush won while ineligible, he's been vacated, shed no tears for him.
15 Sep 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebotI haven't seen where they've explained their reasoning for vacating vs. giving it to Young. That might be interesting. I wonder if they figured it would make more of a long-term example of Bush. Barring something like that, it would make sense to give it to the second place finisher in the balloting under such circumstances since he was the first eligible placer. That Bush wasn't declared ineligible until after he played the entire season is irrelevant. He should be treated as if he didn't exist from the time of the infraction.
BS! Vince Young should have gotten it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_heisman_bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/09/heisman-trophy-trust-decides-to-leave-reggie-bushs-award-vacant/1
What would you have done with the 2005 Heisman Trophy if you were a part of the Heisman Trust?
Allow Reggie ...[text shortened]...
Give it to Vince Young, who was second in voting
44%
Vacate award
25%
Vote TOTAL VOTES: 265
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16 Sep 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotYeah!!! The scout quote is the clincher 'cause everyone knows the Oakland Raiders have the best talent scouts in the history of the world! What's a matta? Couldn't find some other half-conscious winos with newspaper quotes?
eat them words, yankee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young
In his All-America 2005 season, Young led the Longhorns to an 11–0 regular season record. The Longhorns held a #2 ranking in the preseason, and held that ranking through the season except for one week when they were ranked #1 in the Bowl Championship Series.[17] Texas then won the Big 1 ...[text shortened]... what his Wonderlic score is. The only score I care about is 41–38."[36]
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16 Sep 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackDon't criticize zeeblebot's opinion if you're not sure what his opinion is. Criticize the opinion of someone else - which he cut and pasted, which appeared to be in accordance with zeeblebot's own opinion but may not actually be his opinion because it was someone else's and zeeblebot merely cut and paste it.
Yeah!!! The scout quote is the clincher 'cause everyone knows the Oakland Raiders have the best talent scouts in the history of the world! What's a matta? Couldn't find some other half-conscious winos with newspaper quotes?
16 Sep 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebotI agree. I remember when he marched into Ohio to play my Buckeyes. My Bucks had him beat but in the 4rth quarter he picked up the entire team on his shoulders and dragged them to victory just like he did in the NC win against USC. There are some intangibles that go beyond just the raw numbers that should be considered. Without a doubt, he was the MVP of college football as well as really good numbers to boot. Of course, the question begs for the naysayers, if Youngs numbers were not Heisman worthy why was he a runner up for the award in the first place?
BS! Vince Young should have gotten it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_heisman_bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/09/heisman-trophy-trust-decides-to-leave-reggie-bushs-award-vacant/1
What would you have done with the 2005 Heisman Trophy if you were a part of the Heisman Trust?
Allow Reggie ...[text shortened]...
Give it to Vince Young, who was second in voting
44%
Vacate award
25%
Vote TOTAL VOTES: 265
16 Sep 10
Originally posted by sh76Sure, who cares that he did not play by the rules. I'm thinknig the man has a brilliant future in politics if you ask me.
I'd leave it with Bush. So he got some money and other benefits? BFD. It's not like he killed anyone; that was an entirely different USC running back.
16 Sep 10
Originally posted by whodeyNot me.
Sure, who cares that he did not play by the rules.
The rules are stupid.
The NCAA should be busted up by a massive antitrust lawsuit.
As a conservative, you should be at the front of the line demanding an end to this mindless sanctimonious monopoly dictating the terms of the college sports market.
16 Sep 10
Originally posted by sh76Conservatives may not agree with the law, but what they do not do is ignore the laws. The other side does that.
Not me.
The rules are stupid.
The NCAA should be busted up by a massive antitrust lawsuit.
As a conservative, you should be at the front of the line demanding an end to this mindless sanctimonious monopoly dictating the terms of the college sports market.