@vivify saidWell, US liberals, generally, are on the right-wing scale of European politics.
I know by now what you think of conservative Americans, but what's your opinion on American liberals? Where do you think they fall flat and where do they need to improve?
I also invite Kazet, Zahlanzi, and Ash to add their thoughts as well.
And I’m, generally speaking, on the far-left of European politics.
So, to me, personally, there’s not really much difference in economics between the republicans and the democrats.
Democrats, the liberals if you will (although in Europe a liberal is a non-religious capitalist), seem to be less religious. And they seem to care more about world-wide politics and diplomacy.
The republicans seem to me a very extreme bunch of people.
However, I’m also pretty certain that Clinton would have started a war with Iran. She was beating that drum a long time.
Not a good thing.
Wars are usually not productive. And any way possible of avoiding them should be taken. Hence my opinion that Chamberlain was right and that Britain was right in replacing him with Churchill.
One can only escalate when an initial position is deemed unacceptable.
All this being said, in all honesty, my portrayed views on American conservatives is an exaggeration, a mirror, an ironic statement... as in: yes, I totally disagree with them, but obviously my remarks are made in jest or just to rile them.
Matters such as abortion, head scarves, the death penalty, Taiwan, etc. are all subjects and opinions forged through a multitude of matters and, strictly speaking, are personal; are one’s beliefs.
Matters on economy are generally subject to upbringing and financial independence.
What am I to say about US liberals?
On most issues I’ll disagree with them on core principles. On some, moral, subjects I’ll generally agree with what some of them say.
Since you ask a serious question (I think), you’ll receive a serious answer: People are who they are; that includes me.
And my harshness on this forum is enhanced by anonymity and my prevalence for biting humor; it in no way reflects what I truly feel about any individual.
And, as is the case with any group of people, there are nice liberal Americans and horrible liberal Americans.
Ultimately, caring for everyone is important. Not just a country. Not just a flag. Not just a dogma. Not just a political entity.
Caring for the old person across the road and the wee kid on the bike in the middle of the street; that is what counts.
And I don’t really think there’s that much difference in the basis between US liberals or conservatives or me.
20 May 20
@shavixmir saidNot sure how to say this without being an utter cornball, but this post was beautiful. Thank you for your input.
Well, US liberals, generally, are on the right-wing scale of European politics.
And I’m, generally speaking, on the far-left of European politics.
So, to me, personally, there’s not really much difference in economics between the republicans and the democrats.
Democrats, the liberals if you will (although in Europe a liberal is a non-religious capitalist), seem to be ...[text shortened]... t really think there’s that much difference in the basis between US liberals or conservatives or me.
The world generally seems to share the same view of Americans and I always wonder what is missing with us. It's simpler than we realize: basic human empathy and compassion.
This lack is the basis of U.S. problems, from warmongering to imperialism to income inequality to racism, both at home and abroad. Empathy and compassion for humanity is the only thing that can save the U.S.
@shavixmir saidSo...……...you...…………………….are...………………………………..glad...………………………………………..Orange Man...………………………………………………………….beat...……………………………………………………………..war mongering Hillary?????
Well, US liberals, generally, are on the right-wing scale of European politics.
And I’m, generally speaking, on the far-left of European politics.
So, to me, personally, there’s not really much difference in economics between the republicans and the democrats.
Democrats, the liberals if you will (although in Europe a liberal is a non-religious capitalist), seem to be ...[text shortened]... t really think there’s that much difference in the basis between US liberals or conservatives or me.
BTW, Hillary wanted a no fly zone in Syria, so that is where war would have begun. Had it spilled to Iran is a matter of conjecture.
Not sure what to make of love for Orange man.
20 May 20
@vivify saidMy point is that Americans don’t have a lack of empathy. It’s just very focussed internally.
Not sure how to say this without being an utter cornball, but this post was beautiful. Thank you for your input.
The world generally seems to share the same view of Americans and I always wonder what is missing with us. It's simpler than we realize: basic human empathy and compassion.
This lack is the basis of U.S. problems, from warmongering to imperialism to inc ...[text shortened]... th at home and abroad. Empathy and compassion for humanity is the only thing that can save the U.S.
Probably this is due to nationalism; patriotism, if you will.
When a child is reared raising the hand to the flag, “God is on our side”, USA the greatest, etc., you can’t really expect the empathy to stretch overseas.
However, every American I’ve met (and I’ve lived in Wisconsin for a short while) would run into a burning building to save another person’s child.
And the Americans I’ve met abroad (so in Europe) would do the same for my child.
And therein lies not the difference between Europeans and Americans, but the connection; the similarity.
Obviously Europeans would first ask about protective gear, health & safety and form a committee to see who’s best suited for the job... 😉
@whodey saidI would not have voted for Clinton.
So...……...you...…………………….are...………………………………..glad...………………………………………..Orange Man...………………………………………………………….beat...……………………………………………………………..war mongering Hillary?????
BTW, Hillary wanted a no fly zone in Syria, so that is where war would have begun. Had it spilled to Iran is a matter of conjecture.
Not sure what to make of love for Orange man.
I wouldn’t have voted for trump either.
And no, I’m not glad Clinton didn’t beat trump. trump and his brand of polarising politics (which has been getting worse in America for decades) is extremely bad for the fabric of your society. What you need is a politician and a political party hell-bent on refocussing the public:
Not pointing out faults, laying blame and accentuating differences. But leaders who accentuate similarities, take responsibility and point out common goals.
What you are witnessing in the US today is the breakdown of a society; on display for all to see.
And you and your children will have to reset it.
20 May 20
@wajoma saidOh. Yes. I forgot to answer your retort.
Hey Shag Doody for Brains,
I googled 'goobermint' 29200 hits .33 seconds.
Who are you again?
No, I jest. You need some loving attention. Some TLC...
Damn, did you see how fast I fell back into patterns of behaviour?
Maybe I have a lesson to learn here? Perhaps I should reflect before answering:
Not every thread deserves trolling.
20 May 20
@shavixmir saidEveryone please note: Shag doody does not want trolling on his thread, shag doody will determine which threads are suitable for trolling. Anal incest and people losing their lives are suitable for trolling, but a thread where shag doody is sharing his dream feelings is not.
Oh. Yes. I forgot to answer your retort.
Who are you again?
No, I jest. You need some loving attention. Some TLC...
Damn, did you see how fast I fell back into patterns of behaviour?
Maybe I have a lesson to learn here? Perhaps I should reflect before answering:
Not every thread deserves trolling.
20 May 20
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@vivify saidHmm.
I know by now what you think of conservative Americans, but what's your opinion on American liberals? Where do you think they fall flat and where do they need to improve?
I also invite Kazet, Zahlanzi, and Ash to add their thoughts as well.
I wouldn't say that I have a blanket opinion on all "American Conservatives", as "conservative" probably means something very different to me.
To me, a conservative (with or without a capital "c" ) is someone similar to the Tories in the UK - economically centre-right (although Boris has so far been more centrist than usual because of his new, working-class Northern support base), yet altogether socially liberal in a non-preachy way. But that's not the type of conservative you are referring to in your post. You're talking about the anti-vaxxer, Pizzagate-loving Trump devotees.
So I do have respect for some American Conservatives who are similar to my definition of Conservative. People who have the brain to comprehend the irony of someone wanting to replace economic overreach with weirdly personal overreach.
I tire of bracket emojis.
21 May 20
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@ashiitaka saidThanks for your response.
Hmm.
I wouldn't say that I have a blanket opinion on all "American Conservatives", as "conservative" probably means something very different to me.
To me, a conservative (with or without a capital "c" ) is someone similar to the Tories in the UK - economically centre-right (although Boris has so far been more centrist than usual because of his new, working-class Nor ...[text shortened]... wanting to replace economic overreach with weirdly personal overreach.
I tire of bracket emojis.
Although, I wasn't asking about opinions on conservatives because I think I have a decent grasp of what most non-Americans think of them. I was asking your opinion on U.S. liberals. Conservatives get a lot of spot light in America and it don't see much discussion on U.S. liberals.
I thought it would be eye-opening to see what other cultures think of U.S. liberals, and hopefully learn something, perhaps also become better people in the process.