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27 Sep 11
27 Sep 11
http://news.yahoo.com/survey-health-insurance-costs-surged-2011-150718585.html
"A study by the Kaiser Family Foundation says annual premiums for family coverage climbed 9 percent compared to 2010, when they rose only 3 percent."
Hilarious. The first benefits of Obamacare -- higher health premiums.
As Milton Friedman always said -- more government regulation raises prices. Just incredible how right the man has been over the years.
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe vast majority of Obama's health bill has not taken effect.
I thought Obamacare has not taken effect yet?
Anyway, I'm sure you're aware that US health care is the most expensive in the world?
I don't have much faith that it will lower prices significantly, but I don't think that's necessarily a failure of too much regulation, it's just the bill didn't do the right things.
27 Sep 11
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/insurance/story/2011-09-27/health-insurance-premiums/50567634/1
The study does not delve into why rates jumped in 2011, but foundation CEO Drew Altman said a number of factors may have played a role. He noted that health care costs continue to rise. Insurer profits and the health care overhaul also have some impact. [...] Altman said initial provisions from the law, which was passed last year, added about 1.5 percent to this year's premiums, which is about what many insurance analysts and benefits experts expected.
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by spruce112358What about the fact that insurers can no longer deny coverage due to preexisting conditions?
Hilarious. The first benefits of Obamacare -- higher health premiums.
What about the fact that young adults can stay covered on their parents' plans until they turn 26?
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by spruce112358Just ask the Chileans how "right" Miltie was.
http://news.yahoo.com/survey-health-insurance-costs-surged-2011-150718585.html
"A study by the Kaiser Family Foundation says annual premiums for family coverage climbed 9 percent compared to 2010, when they rose only 3 percent."
Hilarious. The first benefits of Obamacare -- higher health premiums.
As Milton Friedman always said -- more government regulation raises prices. Just incredible how right the man has been over the years.
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by wittywonkaI pay the healthcare bills at work for the office. Our premium have gone up 16% each of the past two years. If you want more people covered premiums will increase. The promise that it would be otherwise is just a lie.
What about the fact that insurers can no longer deny coverage due to preexisting conditions?
What about the fact that young adults can stay covered on their parents' plans until they turn 26?
Originally posted by quackquackHealth care premiums were increased at double digit levels per year for the prior 10 years even though less people were being covered. Welcome to capitalism.
I pay the healthcare bills at work for the office. Our premium have gone up 16% each of the past two years. If you want more people covered premiums will increase. The promise that it would be otherwise is just a lie.
http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=1681
27 Sep 11
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Originally posted by spruce112358But higher taxes will create jobs at the IRS and insane asylums and funeral homes and welfare agencies. It's all about jobs man!!
http://news.yahoo.com/survey-health-insurance-costs-surged-2011-150718585.html
"A study by the Kaiser Family Foundation says annual premiums for family coverage climbed 9 percent compared to 2010, when they rose only 3 percent."
Hilarious. The first benefits of Obamacare -- higher health premiums.
As Milton Friedman always said -- more government regulation raises prices. Just incredible how right the man has been over the years.
27 Sep 11
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraJust look at it as another much needed stimulus package for health care workers and insurance companies. 😛
I thought Obamacare has not taken effect yet?
Anyway, I'm sure you're aware that US health care is the most expensive in the world?
27 Sep 11
Originally posted by no1marauderHealth care hasn't been free market or capitalistic in decades. The largest users of health care are the elderly, and the poor, those already covered by a third party payor government run system, Medicare and Medicaid.
Health care premiums were increased at double digit levels per year for the prior 10 years even though less people were being covered. Welcome to capitalism.
http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=1681
Look at those systems and argue that the entire nation ought to run on the same fraud infested systems. Medicare in it's first year over spent the estimates by 10x.
Originally posted by normbenignNo it would be a lot better if sick people would just die and get it over with. And old people actually getting treated by doctors? Don't get me and norm started.
Health care hasn't been free market or capitalistic in decades. The largest users of health care are the elderly, and the poor, those already covered by a third party payor government run system, Medicare and Medicaid.
Look at those systems and argue that the entire nation ought to run on the same fraud infested systems. Medicare in it's first year over spent the estimates by 10x.
28 Sep 11
Originally posted by no1marauderYou have to be kidding. I said that the socialized and nationalized portion of American health care was in the most expensive sectors, and the system hasn't been market driven for decades
No it would be a lot better if sick people would just die and get it over with. And old people actually getting treated by doctors? Don't get me and norm started.
From that you conclude I advocate sick people dying??? The truth is that rationing and euthanasia are solutions of state run health care.