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  1. 25 Jun '16 13:41
    We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.
    - Hillary Clinton

    Compare that to this quote

    It is always the task of the intellectual to “think otherwise.” This is not just a perverse idiosyncrasy. It is an absolutely essential feature of a society.
    -Harvey Cox

    Which quote rings more true for you?
  2. 25 Jun '16 13:51 / 2 edits
    After reading Hillary's quote, was reminded of this quote.

    “Every dictator is a mystic, and every mystic is a potential dictator. A mystic craves obedience from men, not their agreement. He wants them to surrender their consciousness to his assertions, his edicts, his wishes, his whims—as his consciousness is surrendered to theirs. He wants to deal with men by means of faith and force—he finds no satisfaction in their consent if he must earn it by means of facts and reason. Reason is the enemy he dreads and, simultaneously, considers precarious; reason, to him, is a means of deception; he feels that men possess some power more potent than reason—and only their causeless belief or their forced obedience can give him a sense of security, a proof that he has gained control of the mystic endowment he lacked. His lust is to command, not to convince: conviction requires an act of independence and rests on the absolute of an objective reality. What he seeks is power over reality and over men’s means of perceiving it, their mind, the power to interpose his will between existence and consciousness, as if, by agreeing to fake the reality he orders them to fake, men would, in fact, create it.”
    ― Ayn Rand

    Although I'm not a huge Rand fan, she has a point here. The act of voting is a demonstration of faith that they will make all the right decisions for us. It is sort of a religious experience. More than likely, however, it is a conviction that the other oligarchical candidate is someone we have much less faith in.

    Another quote that brought a smile is this

    “People are not embracing collectivism because they have accepted bad economics. They are accepting bad economics because they have embraced collectivism.”
    ― Ayn Rand

    Some $20 trillion in debt later, no one can deny this truth. Collectivism is a religion that continues to be widely adopted even though it was proven false long ago.
  3. 25 Jun '16 14:03
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/societyquote.asp
  4. 25 Jun '16 14:23 / 1 edit
    http://spectator.org/47154_just-being-herself/


    These chilling words were spoken by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas, shortly after she and Bill were elected “co-presidents” in 1992. This is one of hundreds of Hillaryisms compiled by first-time author Thomas D. Kuiper in his indispensable new book, I’ve Always Been A Yankees Fan: Hillary Clinton In Her Own Words.

    Dick Morris, who wrote the foreword to I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan, praised Mr. Kuiper’s “wonderful little book” for “mak[ing] sure that Hillary’s quotes and lies are not forgotten but come back to haunt her” when she inevitably runs for president in 2008. I could not agree more. Mr. Kuiper’s book reminds us of the terrible reality behind Hillary’s recent facade of “moderate” “bipartisan” leadership.

    To begin with, as the above quote (p. 119) demonstrates, in her heart-of-hearts Hillary is a power-hungry utopian socialist who believes that political elites (i.e., she) should decide how the rest of us live. Consider these statements:

    – “The only way to make a difference is to acquire power” (p. 68). Hillary to a friend before starting law school.

    – “We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society” (p. 121). Hillary as first lady.

    – “We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices…. Government has to make those choices for people” (p. 20). Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her health care plan.


    – “I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe” (p. 76). Hillary in 1996.

    – “I think it does take a village to raise a child” (p. 76). Hillary on C-SPAN in 2005.

    Although Hillary rarely expresses her political views in starkly socialist terms these days, her more traditional-sounding trope, “it takes a village to raise a child,” reflects the same totalitarian impulse to replace individuals and families with the state. Philosophers and politicians as disparate as Plato and Mao have known for centuries that the nuclear family represents the single greatest obstacle to their dreams of radically re-designing human society.

    Hillary understands this too. And like all such “reformers,” she won’t let ordinary people, living their ordinary lives, get in the way of her “burning desire to do what I can, a desire to make the world around me… better for everybody” (p. 84). We can be sure that under a Hillary presidency, individual freedom and opportunity will take a back seat to more government agencies, bureaucracies, and regulations supposedly intended to make our lives “better,” but in fact only making them worse — and raising our taxes to boot!

    Mr. Kuiper’s book also reveals the unprincipled opportunist who hides behind legal circumlocutions and other evasions whenever it suits her needs. Consider these gems:

    Hillary, in her “autobiography” Living History, describing her work during law school at a well-known communist law firm, where she actually assisted with defending Black Panther cases: “I spent most of my time working for [an attorney] researching, writing legal motions and briefs for a child custody case” (p. 139).

    Hillary denying that she received special treatment in her cattle futures trade that netted her $100,000 from a $1,000 investment. Interestingly, she did not report these gains, which she earned in 1980, until they were discovered by the press in 1994: “There’s no evidence of that” (p. 35).

    Hillary in a 1996 statement admitting that, contrary to her original denials, she indeed shredded documents relating to the Whitewater investigation: “It appears I cooperated with this effort — to dispose of such files” (p. 33).

    Hillary referring to Bill Clinton’s controversial eleventh-hour pardon of the wealthy fugitive from justice, whose ex-wife, Denise Rich, was a major Clinton contributor: “I never knew about Marc Rich at all. You know, people would hand me envelopes, I would just pass them….I knew nothing about the Marc Rich pardon until after it happened” (p. 46).

    As these quotations make clear (and there are many more just like them in Mr. Kuiper’s book), Hillary is willing to twist and deny the truth whenever she believes doing so will protect her personal and political interests. There seems to be little Hillary won’t say, if she believes it necessary to promote her own position.

    The most repugnant example of this is her comment, made shortly after Saddam Hussein’s capture in 2004, that “[o]n paper, women [under Saddam’s rule] had rights. They went to school, they participated in the professions….As long as they stayed out of [Saddam’s] way, they had considerable freedom of movement” (p. 108). Apparently, Hillary thinks rape rooms, torture chambers, and summary executions are acceptable tradeoffs for being able to “participate[] in the professions.” Why would Hillary make such a heinous comment? The conclusion is inescapable that in Hillary’s mind, political partisanship — and feminist ideology — trump the rights and dignity of ordinary human beings.

    Which brings us right back to where we started: Hillary Rodham Clinton is a power-hungry utopian socialist who dreams of “remolding” American society into something that looks just like the sclerotic, dying polities of Western Europe: nationalized health care and day care, more taxes and regulations on business, a greater “redistribution” of income and wealth, a significantly diminished military capability, and entrenched political and economic elites who decide how the rest of us shall live. She must not be elected President of the United States. Mr. Kuiper’s enjoyable new book offers plenty of ammunition for opposing Hillary’s upcoming candidacy. I predict it will become one of the chief weapons in the anti-Hillary arsenal.
  5. 25 Jun '16 14:26
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/societyquote.asp
    Snopes.com must not have google
  6. 25 Jun '16 14:46
    Originally posted by whodey
    Snopes.com must not have google
    If google finds it, it must be true.
  7. 25 Jun '16 14:48
    Originally posted by JS357
    If google finds it, it must be true.
    I prefer using the Barry Obama search engine where all the words have been edited and censored.
  8. 25 Jun '16 14:59 / 1 edit
    Here is from her own mouth how she thinks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACupTJ-qx5Q

    Hillary is not after your consent, she is after changing only the laws and systems.

    It's about changing laws, not hearts.

    Of course, I concede the fact that his video may have been altered professionally and she said none of it, that is, according to snopes.com.
  9. 25 Jun '16 15:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    Here is from her own mouth how she thinks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACupTJ-qx5Q

    Hillary is not after your consent, she is after changing only the laws and systems.

    It's about changing laws, not hearts.

    Of course, I concede the fact that his video may have been altered professionally and she said none of it, that is, according to snopes.com.
    Seems a tad preachy but what does it have to do with your claim?
  10. 25 Jun '16 15:46
    Originally posted by whodey
    Snopes.com must not have google
    Have you considered the possibility that when someone writes something on the Internet that is not true, Google might be able to find it?
  11. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    25 Jun '16 21:30
    Originally posted by whodey
    After reading Hillary's quote, was reminded of this quote.

    “Every dictator is a mystic, and every mystic is a potential dictator. A mystic craves obedience from men, not their agreement. He wants them to surrender their consciousness to his assertions, his edicts, his wishes, his whims—as his consciousness is surrendered to theirs. He wants to deal with me ...[text shortened]... vism is a religion that continues to be widely adopted even though it was proven false long ago.
    Quoting Ayn Rand now.

    This is a new low, even for you.
  12. 27 Jun '16 03:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.
    - Hillary Clinton

    Compare that to this quote

    It is always the task of the intellectual to “think otherwise.” This is not just a perverse idiosyncrasy. It is an absolutely essential feature of a society.
    -Harvey Cox

    Which quote rings more true for you?
    What she thinks is best for society that is!!!
  13. 27 Jun '16 03:45
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Quoting Ayn Rand now.

    This is a new low, even for you.
    What if she said that the sky was blue? Would I have your permission to quote her then?

    Why is it people insist on character assassination in order to denounce everything a person says or does?

    Very odd.
  14. 27 Jun '16 03:48
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Have you considered the possibility that when someone writes something on the Internet that is not true, Google might be able to find it?
    The video I provided pretty much sums up what I tried to say using the quote.

    Hillary Clinton is all about changing laws for the perceived good of society. She could care less about the individual, and says as much in the video.

    It's all about rule by proxy as the many overtake the few.
  15. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    27 Jun '16 23:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    What if she said that the sky was blue? Would I have your permission to quote her then?

    Why is it people insist on character assassination in order to denounce everything a person says or does?

    Very odd.
    Odd?

    It's exactly what the OP was about.