Originally posted by Nyxie
http://www.stedwards.edu/newc/capstone/sp2000/biotechnology/index2.htm
So any comments? I myself think we should try him for each crime seperately, and keep cloning him untill we're done.
Nyxie
the Valkyrja
Merely curious, do you believe every Nazi deserved to die by the hands of the allied forces ?
pc
Originally posted by pcaspianNo I believe that the soldiers should'nt be tried for following the commands of their supperiors. Unless specific human right's violations were perpetrated. Merely being a Nazi should'nt be enough to conedemn one. The leaders of the Nazi movement should be held accountable though.
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]http://www.stedwards.edu/newc/capstone/sp2000/biotechnology/index2.htm
So any comments? I myself think we should try him for each crime seperately, and keep cloning him untill we're done.
Nyxie
the Valkyrja
Merely curious, do you believe every Nazi deserved to die by the hands of the allied forces ?
pc[/b]
Nyxie
Originally posted by Nyxie
No I believe that the soldiers should'nt be tried for following the commands of their supperiors. Unless specific human right's violations were perpetrated. Merely being a Nazi should'nt be enough to conedemn one. The leaders of the Nazi movement should be held accountable though.
Nyxie
What if the soldiers believed what they were doing was a worthy cause ? (i.e. excluding all those soldier who did not just follow commands out of fear of disciplinary action).
pc
Originally posted by pcaspianYou mean exterminating jews as a noble cause? Kind of like the inquisition as noble because it saved the immortal soul, yet killed the body?
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]No I believe that the soldiers should'nt be tried for following the commands of their supperiors. Unless specific human right's violations were perpetrated. Merely being a Nazi should'nt be enough to conedemn one. The leaders of the Nazi movement should be held accountable though.
Nyxie
What if the soldiers ...[text shortened]... ng all those soldier who did not just follow commands out of fear of disciplinary action).
pc[/b]
As I stated before I think the leaders of the movement should be held accountable.
Nyxie
This reminds me of the philosophical poser:
Imagine that Star Trek style teleporters exist. Someone commits a murder, legs it from the police and jumps in a teleporter. The teleporter malfunctions (Star Trek precedent - they work by disassembling the original and creating a new copy elsewhere) and produces two perpetrators. Which do you try for murder?
a less sci-fi (and real) example - what about a person with multiple personality disorder who is on trial for rape (or any other crime really). What if, as happened in a famous case, 7 personalities deny the charge while the 8th admits to it? Do you lock up all 8 'people' for the crime of 1? If not then you effectively give people with multiple personalities immunity from prosecution.
Originally posted by VargBoth - they both are the direct product of the one that murdered.
This reminds me of the philosophical poser:
Imagine that Star Trek style teleporters exist. Someone commits a murder, legs it from the police and jumps in a teleporter. The teleporter malfunctions (Star Trek precedent - they work by disassembling the original and creating a new copy elsewhere) and produces two perpetrators. Which do you try for murder?
A better example, is two twins - one commits a murder. Both get on a transporter and are merged in an accident - do you try the product?
Originally posted by NyxieYou really think someone can't be held accountable just because someone told them to do it?
No I believe that the soldiers should'nt be tried for following the commands of their supperiors. Unless specific human right's violations were perpetrated. Merely being a Nazi should'nt be enough to conedemn one. The leaders of the Nazi movement should be held accountable though.
Nyxie
In my opinion, people should take more responsibility for their own actions, otherwise you are treating them as if they are mindless drones, not thinking before they act.
[EDIT] Hang on, I think I may have misread your post. You did say 'unless specific human rights have been violated'. So, let me be clear, the low level soldiers who herded Jews into gas chambers - liable for punishment, or just doing what they were told?
The question is who is accountable ?
Are soldiers in Iraq accountable for 100,000 deaths or George Bush or both ?
It currently looks no one is being held accountable ... and simply voting George Bush out isn't enough justice !
There needs to be accountability otherwise deaths will continue.
Originally posted by belgianfreakPeople with multiple personalities are not multiple people, but a single person who has multiple personalities.
a less sci-fi (and real) example - what about a person with multiple personality disorder who is on trial for rape (or any other crime really). What if, as happened in a famous case, 7 personalities deny the charge while the 8th admits to it? Do you lock up all 8 'people' for the crime of 1? If not then you effectively give people with multiple personalities immunity from prosecution.
Such a person might have a personality which would lie.
Now if the person did it under one personality, it might be a case of innocent by reason of insanity.
Originally posted by Nyxie
You mean exterminating jews as a noble cause? Kind of like the inquisition as noble because it saved the immortal soul, yet killed the body?
As I stated before I think the leaders of the movement should be held accountable.
Nyxie
Ok, but then what makes the British forces any better than the Nazi's when the allied forces Bombed and killed Germans ? I mean we are talking about the country that invented the concentration camp, killed 20 000 woman and children in 1899-1903 (Boer war), not to mention the 3rd (or was that 2nd) biggest incident of genocide in known history (Australian aborigines).
Basically I am trying to ascertain the difference between the British and Germans here.
cheers
pc
Originally posted by pcaspianWhy are you asking me the difference? I am niether german nor am I british.
Originally posted by Nyxie
[b]You mean exterminating jews as a noble cause? Kind of like the inquisition as noble because it saved the immortal soul, yet killed the body?
As I stated before I think the leaders of the movement should be held accountable.
Nyxie
Ok, but then what makes the British forces any better than the Nazi's when t ...[text shortened]... m trying to ascertain the difference between the British and Germans here.
cheers
pc
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If they perpetrated human rights violations, and both did, then they should be held accountable.
Nyxie