@kevcvs57 saidIt is not wrong. Everybody tries to influence other people to vote for certain candidates over others. The corporate news media ignores candidates they don't want in office all of the time. They do that to all 3rd party candidates so they don't have a chance. Why should I care if RT influences people to vote for or not vote for certain candidates? It is just a news program. They are not funding opposition candidates they do not think can win like the democrats do.
You weren’t listening again all states try to influence the outcome of other states elections to favour themselves, it’s wrong but what can you do🤷🏻♂️
What you can do is prosecute any member of your own state that colludes with that foreign power and make sure the electorate are aware of the meddling and collusion.
If you don't like RT influence your friends to not watch RT, not that many people do in the first place. Do you honestly feel threatened by a little news outlet most people have never heard of? They have so few viewers how much influence can they have?
@metal-brain saidThere is just one very slight difference you're overlooking: criticise the USA all you want, or Biden, or even his son, Hunter, and you're still a free man. Fail to show obsequious enthusiasm for Putin, and Navalny's yer roommate.
Nobody respects those rules because they are all doing it for a good cause.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374372-ex-cia-director-us-meddles-in-foreign-elections-for-a-good/
@moonbus saidBBC America is on PBS. Why is a foreign news agency able to influence who people vote for in this country? People keep telling me that is bad.
There is just one very slight difference you're overlooking: criticise the USA all you want, or Biden, or even his son, Hunter, and you're still a free man. Fail to show obsequious enthusiasm for Putin, and Navalny's yer roommate.
@moonbus saidThat is not true.
Every country in the world permits its own citizens to do things, such as support candidates for public office, within its own jurisdiction, which things are forbidden to foreign nationals or foreign states. DUH !
BBC America is on PBS. Why is a foreign news agency able to influence who people vote for in this country? My country obviously does not forbid it.
@metal-brain saidBBC America is jointly owned and operationally controlled by an American firm with headquarters in New York. Do some basic homework.
That is not true.
BBC America is on PBS. Why is a foreign news agency able to influence who people vote for in this country? My country obviously does not forbid it.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-amc-networks-pays-200-million-in-deal-to-operate-bbc-america-20141023-story.html
@moonbus saidBBC stands for British Broadcasting Corporation. It is British no matter where their headquarters in America is.
BBC America is jointly owned and operationally controlled by an American firm with headquarters in New York. Do some basic homework.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-amc-networks-pays-200-million-in-deal-to-operate-bbc-america-20141023-story.html
RT's headquarters is Washington, D.C
Does that prove it is not controlled by Russia? Nope.
@metal-brain saidYou can’t even have read what I posted
Tell kev. He is the one who brought it up in that context. I am just using his own words against him.
How can a foreign government commit treason you clown, it is the domestic candidate of the target state that colludes with the foreign government that is committing treason you dumbass
The US, Russia, China ANY STATE can try to influence an election in ANY OTHER STATE and they are NOT committing treason, they are simply engaging in nefarious foreign policy initiatives. Target states can sanction the meddling state and expose their chosen party / candidate to electoral blowback and if the evidence can support a trial the domestic actors can be tried for treason.
Learn to read or stop misrepresenting other peoples posts!
@kevcvs57 said"it is the domestic candidate of the target state that colludes with the foreign government that is committing treason"
You can’t even have read what I posted
How can a foreign government commit treason you clown, it is the domestic candidate of the target state that colludes with the foreign government that is committing treason you dumbass
The US, Russia, China ANY STATE can try to influence an election in ANY OTHER STATE and they are NOT committing treason, they are simply engaging in ne ...[text shortened]... omestic actors can be tried for treason.
Learn to read or stop misrepresenting other peoples posts!
Like Hillary Clinton colluding with MI6's Chris Steele to create the Steele dossier?
There is your treason. You defined it.
@metal-brain said“Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm.”
"it is the domestic candidate of the target state that colludes with the foreign government that is committing treason"
Like Hillary Clinton colluding with MI6's Chris Steele to create the Steele dossier?
There is your treason. You defined it.
“Trump and his allies have falsely claimed[4][5][6] the U.S. intelligence community probe into that Russian interference was launched due to Steele's dossier.[7] Contrary to these false claims, the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee, among many other sources, concluded in an April 2018 report that the probe had been triggered by previous information from Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, and the February 2018 Nunes memo, written by staff members for that GOP committee, reached the same conclusion.[8][9]”
You mean former MI6 employee and stop lying about the reports significance.
Also trying to ascertain wether someone is colluding with foreign governments by hiring a private citizen to investigate is NOT collusion with a hostile state
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@kevcvs57 saidYou are right, the probe had been triggered by previous information from Trump adviser George Papadopoulos which was proven to be a false rumor. You showed me. LOL!
“Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm.”
“Trump and his allies have falsel ...[text shortened]... foreign governments by hiring a private citizen to investigate is NOT collusion with a hostile state
Treason from a foreign agent. You defined it. Steele was a foreign agent election meddling in our elections.....which was started by a mere false rumor. LOL!
Thank you for making it worse for yourself. LOL!!!!!!!!!
“Trump and his allies have falsely claimed[4][5][6] the U.S. intelligence community probe into that Russian interference was launched due to Steele's dossier."
No, that is a lie. Trump and his allies never said anything of the sort. They are too busy pointing out that it was started by a false rumor which is far worse. Your side started a witch hunt with no evidence.
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@kevcvs57 said"You mean former MI6 employee and stop lying about the reports significance.
“Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He ran the Russia desk at MI6 headquarters in London between 2006 and 2009. In 2009, he co-founded Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm.”
“Trump and his allies have falsel ...[text shortened]... foreign governments by hiring a private citizen to investigate is NOT collusion with a hostile state
Also trying to ascertain wether someone is colluding with foreign governments by hiring a private citizen to investigate is NOT collusion with a hostile state"
Does that mean a former KGB agent from Russia can collude with Trump to fabricate a dossier of lies about Joe Biden to get a FISA warrant to spy on someone in Biden's circle in hopes to get dirt on him is acceptable to you? Yes or no?
Also, you never said hostile state before now. Is that because you now realize that you dirty British are meddling in our elections and you think it is for "a good cause"?
https://investortimes.com/freedomoutpost/ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-good-cause-true/
You British should stop election meddling in my country. Keep your bloody MI6 liars from colluding with politicians here. I don't care if they say they are retired. You would never give that benefit of the doubt to a former KBG agent and you know it.
You British are imperialist a holes.
@averagejoe1 saidLots of back-assward countries do that, like Venezuela.
Has anyone noticed that liberals want to JAIL openents? Isn't tha that a China thing? Isn't that a Russian thing ??
Just before elections, Maduro the socialist arrested opposition leaders or chased them out of the country.
And the American democrats glowed with admiration
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@earl-of-trumps saidLeopoldo López and Antonio Ledezma had violated the terms of their house arrests by calling on Venezuelans to protest against the weekend vote to elect a new body to rewrite the constitution.
Lots of back-assward countries do that, like Venezuela.
Just before elections, Maduro the socialist arrested opposition leaders or chased them out of the country.
And the American democrats glowed with admiration
The vote for the constituent assembly was boycotted by the opposition, and has been denounced around the world as an attack on democracy.
López was sentenced to 14 years in prison for his role in leading street protests against Maduro in 2014. Ledezma is accused of plotting a coup. Human rights defenders have said in both cases the charges have been trumped up.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/01/venezuela-maduro-government-opposition-leaders
That seems like a coup attempt to me. If someone wants a new government while boycotting the election that is a coup. A new government is supposed to be done by elections, not despite them.
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