if everything was distributed equally there would be plenty for all. think about it, with the right equipment and coordination everyone could be supported and live decently. besides putting willy to death the next best thing is probably to destroy worthless organizations such as space programs (who came up with such a worthless idea?)
Originally posted by bobbob1056thWell, that's simple enough. I assume you have a viable plan for accomplishing this and for then maintaining equality.
if everything was distributed equally there would be plenty for all. think about it, with the right equipment and coordination everyone could be supported and live decently. besides putting willy to death the next best thing is probably to destroy worthless organizations such as space programs (who came up with such a worthless idea?)
Originally posted by DelmerI'm Glad you fellers enjoyed it. I did that one a long time ago. Brian Phillips helped me do that one. My voice is better now. I am limited to grand opera. Ahemm.... Sorry.
I will check for Utah Phillips CDs. As long as we seem to be talking real time here, do you know if IWW has a website? I'll check Google later, but if you know offhand how about passing along the address.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyDoing okay, SVW. We're in the middle of a thunderstorm at the moment. Probably be best if I unplug and go offline until the lightening dies down.
Well... It scares the dogs, brings the cows and makes my pigs hungry.
Pretty damned grand, i'd a said.
How doin' dell?
Originally posted by DelmerWhere is the sense of adventure? I go outside and practice my "aluminum ladder" balance act on the roof in thunder storms.
Doing okay, SVW. We're in the middle of a thunderstorm at the moment. Probably be best if I unplug and go offline until the lightening dies down.
But then I am not too sure that Zeus wants to handle all the crap I will hand him should he strike. And God and I are good buddies. He still owes me ten bucks from a poker game. He's in no hurry to see me.
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Originally posted by bobbob1056thSuppose that you got inspired and started busting your butt, working really hard. You wouldn't get paid extra. That would kind of suck, wouldn't it? Not too many people would put in that kind of extra effort for no reward.
if everything was distributed equally there would be plenty for all. think about it, with the right equipment and coordination everyone could be supported and live decently. besides putting willy to death the next best thing is proba ...[text shortened]... s such as space programs (who came up with such a worthless idea?)
Suppose you were lazy. You wouldn't get paid any less. Kinda nice eh? You could spend your time partying and screwing off. You don't think a good chunk of people would do this?
Socialism discourages people from working. That's the basic reason capitalistic societies produce; hard work goes rewarded, and laziness gets punished. That's why there's so much food in the U.S. such that socialists argue we could just feed every one. If capitalistic societies began feeding everyone, they would no longer be capitalistic societies, and they'd stop producing so much...and they'd no longer be able to feed everyone...and someone else would have to feed them instead.
At least, that's the theory, and it makes sense to me. I'd like to hear telerion's perspective though, as he is an economist.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungFor what it's worth, you left out a great big chunk of us. We "proud capitalists" who have figured out that our system is based on greed and are wanting a meaning for life. Me. Bill Gates. Some others. We will just give and give and give. Because life has no other meaning than to be as kind as we can be. Crap! I only have a few years left. I raised my kids to take care of themselves. My wife is rich. By her own effort, not mine. What good does any of my money serve when I die? Not a damned bit of good, unless I give it away.
Suppose that you got inspired and started busting your butt, working really hard. You wouldn't get paid extra. That would kind of suck, wouldn't it? Not too many people would put in that kind of extra effort for no reward.
Sup ...[text shortened]... ike to hear telerion's perspective though, as he is an economist.
Telerion has funny antennae. He is an alien. He is probably blue. I seen him on Star Trek once.😉
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungi wuz not reffering to a worldwide socialist economy, i meant 1. rich people cood b put to death 2. pointless organizations and wastes of resources put to an end 3. everyone sharing all their possesions and being nice and happy 🙂 (besides the dead rich people burning, theres a story in the Bible about rich people burning in hell (particularly a rich man that didn't share😉 )) and yes i am a Christian
Suppose that you got inspired and started busting your butt, working really hard. You wouldn't get paid extra. That would kind of suck, wouldn't it? Not too many people would put in that kind of extra effort for no reward.
Sup ...[text shortened]... ike to hear telerion's perspective though, as he is an economist.
Originally posted by bobbob1056thWhat about those people with a lot of resources who don't share their resources? Would you take their resources? That's socialism in a nutshell, no?
i wuz not reffering to a worldwide socialist economy, i meant 1. rich people cood b put to death 2. pointless organizations and wastes of resources put to an end 3. everyone sharing all their possesions and being nice and happy 🙂 (besides the dead rich people burning, theres a story in the Bible about rich people burning in hell (particularly a rich man that didn't share😉 )) and yes i am a Christian
Part of the problem seems to be that we don't want to end world poverty. There is already enough resources to feed everyone on the planet.
Unfortunately, we want lots of coffee, cotton, sugar and general rubbish that isn't really food but we want it anyway. We also don't want to pay a reasonable price for it. We have huge industries, and make a lot of money, turning vast tracts of fertile soil over from growing food for local inhabitants to producing sugar for our burgers that just make us fat. Locals find the only way to survive is to work for practically nothing for one of our companies, tending coffee on land that could be used for real food. They can not save up to buy there own land to farm themselves and probably wouldn't be able to buy it anyway because we need it for our new T shirts.
So, we are the problem. It might help if we insisted that goods imported could only come from producers that have the same legal and humanitarian rights that we have but that might mean we have to pay a little more for our tinned peaches.
Originally posted by WheelyI think you're right, though I am unsure who 'we' are in your post. Everyone? The U.S.? People with more than average income?
Part of the problem seems to be that we don't want to end world poverty. There is already enough resources to feed everyone on the planet.
Unfortunately, we want lots of coffee, cotton, sugar and general rubbish that isn't really food but we want it anyway. We also don't want to pay a reasonable price for it. We have huge industries, and make a lot o ...[text shortened]... ian rights that we have but that might mean we have to pay a little more for our tinned peaches.
I think however that it might be a deeper problem though; I think it may just be part of human nature, and even beyond that, a part of the nature of life. It's related to basic Darwinian principles: any organism will reproduce until it's environment will not support it, and then there will be competition. Even if we did cooperate and feed everyone, people would just breed until we couldn't do that either. I don't know if the problem can be solved. If it can be, it would be with a system somewhat like socialism that also involved strict birth control rules. I don't know if it would be practical.