How The Game is Played

@averagejoe1 said
Your “ideal world”, you say, is to work for myself. You want me, assuming that i know how to build, to build a house, working for myself? How will I hold up a 2-by-4 and hammer it at the same time.... all while holding a level? Maybe you could define Work For Myself? I cant build a house by myself. So if you let me hire a couple guys, and then i am asked to start 4 more h ...[text shortened]... at closing your points. You say idealistic things, but do not understand extenuating circumstances.

What's so hard to understand? No one said a consumer couldn't pay someone to provide a service for them. The people who did so would either be working for themselves or as part of a collective.

EDIT: Maybe this will help:

" Taking the example of a capitalist workplace, its clear that those who own the workplace determine how it is used, not those who do the actual work. "

"In an anarchist society, as noted, actual use is considered the only title. This means that a workplace is organised and run by those who work within it, thus reducing hierarchy and increasing freedom and equality within society."

http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secB3.html#secb31

@no1marauder said
In case you forgot, we were discussing this:

AJ: So, in a nutshell, to leave the question hanging, neither commented upon nor elaborated, would admit that you all truly want the producers in this country (USA) to support the non-producers.

My response is that is exactly what is happening now; what you consider "producers" who hold the majority of wealth in this coun ...[text shortened]... ally addressed that point while screeching that everybody who doesn't agree with you is a "Marxist".

Since 1% of our population pays FORTY PERCENT of the taxes, there must be something tangible going on , dont you think. You better leave those fellows alone, or you may get what you wish for, which you seem to refer to as collectivism which gives me a creepy Crawley feeling. I looked up collectivism, you can’t say it doesn’t include Mark’s philosophy, and I cannot see it working in a country like this, where you have a lot of people who work hard and a lot of people who do not work hard. That one point is sort of the end-all and be-all of our conversations. People who work hard would be greatly taken advantage of by those who do not. What is weird is that you cannot come back and say “yeah that is not fair’. why can’t you realize that that is not fair. Or, or, You can say that people (Job creators ) who have got a lot of money need to spread it around ...............BEYOND their already having paid 40% of all the taxes’

@averagejoe1 said
Since 1% of our population pays FORTY PERCENT of the taxes, there must be something tangible going on , dont you think. You better leave those fellows alone, or you may get what you wish for, which you seem to refer to as collectivism which gives me a creepy Crawley feeling. I looked up collectivism, you can’t say it doesn’t include Mark’s philosophy, and I cannot see it ...[text shortened]... money need to spread it around ...............BEYOND their already having paid 40% of all the taxes’

Naturally most thinking people reject your foolish idea that "working hard" is some magic elixir that gets one high amounts of wealth in the US. Nor does simply having wealth make you a "job creator" nor does an economic system require the vast disparities in wealth the US has in order to have jobs.

And, of course, the top 1% pay nowhere near 40% of the taxes.:

"the top 1 percent — with an average income of about $2 million — made 20.9 percent of America’s income, but paid 24.1 percent of America’s taxes. "

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/13/tax-day-taxes-statistics/

The top 1% paying 40% of all taxes would be proportionate to their share of the nation's wealth, who's economic system has afforded them the ability to amass such wealth (largely by inheritance or unproductive rent seeking). That would still not be in line with a progressive tax system which is justified by accepted economic principles i.e. the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility but it would be a good start.

@no1marauder said
Naturally most thinking people reject your foolish idea that "working hard" is some magic elixir that gets one high amounts of wealth in the US. Nor does simply having wealth make you a "job creator" nor does an economic system require the vast disparities in wealth the US has in order to have jobs.

And, of course, the top 1% pay nowhere near 40% of the taxes.:

"the ...[text shortened]... epted economic principles i.e. the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility but it would be a good start.

Google “Top 1%pay 40%”, That’s all you have to do. Can’t link with my IPad. 1% pay 40%; Marauder. Are you trying to confuse our readers?

@no1marauder said
Naturally most thinking people reject your foolish idea that "working hard" is some magic elixir that gets one high amounts of wealth in the US. Nor does simply having wealth make you a "job creator" nor does an economic system require the vast disparities in wealth the US has in order to have jobs.

And, of course, the top 1% pay nowhere near 40% of the taxes.:

"the ...[text shortened]... epted economic principles i.e. the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility but it would be a good start.

You and Bernie and Warren use the word wealth a lot.

Marauder......All I said was the truth, that some people work harder than other people. I don’t what the hell you’re talking about

@averagejoe1 said
Google “Top 1%pay 40%”, That’s all you have to do. Can’t link with my IPad. 1% pay 40%; Marauder. Are you trying to confuse our readers?

You are wrong as my article patiently explains. It's true that the top 1% pay 40% of the revenue raised by federal income taxes but that is barely 50% of total federal taxes. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-are-sources-revenue-federal-government

Moreover, most State taxes aren't progressive at all reducing the overall figure in taxes paid (which is what you said, not "federal income taxes" ) to the 24% already quoted from this report. https://itep.org/who-pays-taxes-in-america-in-2019/

@averagejoe1 said
You and Bernie and Warren use the word wealth a lot.

Marauder......All I said was the truth, that some people work harder than other people. I don’t what the hell you’re talking about

Obviously you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

@no1marauder said
Obviously you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

? That some people work harder than others? We all know what the top 1% pa6,,,,,, i’m curious, and I can never get an answer on this one either,… what else do you want the 1% with all that ‘wealth’ to do after paying all of the taxes that they are already paying? I’m just curious

@AverageJoe1 - said
You and Bernie and Warren use the word wealth a lot.

Right, and pols have more money than you can shake a stick at. And yet they do this right in front of their own people.

The progs want POLITICIANS to be wealthy but want poverty for everyone else, isn't that the marxist/commie way?
All the way.

@earl-of-trumps said
@AverageJoe1 - said
You and Bernie and Warren use the word wealth a lot.

Right, and pols have more money than you can shake a stick at. And yet they do this right in front of their own people.

The progs want POLITICIANS to be wealthy but want poverty for everyone else, isn't that the marxist/commie way?
All the way.

These types of posts are laughable nonsense as you surely must know.

@no1marauder said
These types of posts are laughable nonsense as you surely must know.

No, he is right. The free money is geared to have people depend on the govt in their meager lives. You know it dam well. Go ahead and play your ‘Great Oracle’ game, as our populace crumbles. The Dems are creating the plantations of the 1850’s Earl, I hope you are getting ready to be a Socialist, overseeing those people in their meager existence. I could make the flip tomorrow.

@averagejoe1 said
No, he is right. The free money is geared to have people depend on the govt in their meager lives. You know it dam well. Go ahead and play your ‘Great Oracle’ game, as our populace crumbles. The Dems are creating the plantations of the 1850’s Earl, I hope you are getting ready to be a Socialist, overseeing those people in their meager existence. I could make the flip tomorrow.

lol, I expect them to off me. I don't pay homage to a dear leader and never will.

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

@no1marauder said
Naturally most thinking people reject your foolish idea that "working hard" is some magic elixir that gets one high amounts of wealth in the US. Nor does simply having wealth make you a "job creator" nor does an economic system require the vast disparities in wealth the US has in order to have jobs.

And, of course, the top 1% pay nowhere near 40% of the taxes.:

"the ...[text shortened]... epted economic principles i.e. the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility but it would be a good start.

Interesting. Thanks for the stats. I was reading through Joe's posts and wondering "what percent of INCOME do the top 1% rake in?" It seems like, while we have progressive taxation, the ratio of income to tax is pretty flat. I guess that means that the high earners have ways of manipulating the tax code to avoid paying the full rates?

@averagejoe1 said
First, they don’t ‘have’ to walk anywhere . It is a choice they make .
Secondly, regarding the wall, many engineers and sociologists and acrobats met for months designing ‘the best’ wall to deter invaders. I would disagree with you, they could not “climb over’ that wall.

I'd like to see the data on illegal crossings. Surely it exists. Does the wall work? I've been following this for decades and it appeared to be a consensus opinion that it would not work to deter illegal entry into the US until the 2015 presidential campaign.

@wildgrass said
I'd like to see the data on illegal crossings. Surely it exists. Does the wall work? I've been following this for decades and it appeared to be a consensus opinion that it would not work to deter illegal entry into the US until the 2015 presidential campaign.

Walls must work since they’ve been used for at least 10,000 years. By the way, on the news yesterday I saw where they are now going to go back and continue building the wall. Golly I wonder what Biden was thinking when he (ha ha Ha Hah Hah)made that decision