How The Game is Played

@wildgrass said
What's the saying? You want to keep your cake and eat it? Fair share as I define it is the amount of money required to pay for the government. I am very tired of hearing from politicians who call themselves fiscal conservatives spending out their ears and paying for their frivolous spending sprees with my grandkids' money. Giving tax cuts to the folks who can easily afford ...[text shortened]... s and worked towards paying for what they were spending. It's a much more responsible approach, IMO.

“ fair share is the amount of money required to pay for the government “. What exactly does that mean? I don’t know what that means.
Then you say you are tired of politicians spending out their ears.....Biden, I presume? So you finally understand the hell he wants to bring down in our country, to create dependent citizens?

Then you say “it’s the spending “. Biden, I presume. Finally, you are watching what his plans are. Welcome over to our side. Where ‘conservative ‘ means what it says.

@averagejoe1 said
“ fair share is the amount of money required to pay for the government “. What exactly does that mean? I don’t know what that means.
Then you say you are tired of politicians spending out their ears.....Biden, I presume? So you finally understand the hell he wants to bring down in our country, to create dependent citizens?

Then you say “it’s the spen ...[text shortened]... watching what his plans are. Welcome over to our side. Where ‘conservative ‘ means what it says.

Are you really saying you don't know what it means to pay for the things you spend money on?

@wildgrass said
Are you really saying you don't know what it means to pay for the things you spend money on?

I don’t see where I said that. I’m simply asking you if you are now realizing that Biden is doing the same exact things in the way of spending money that you seem to be deriding in your post above. Maybe if you wrote in plain English instead of your clever quips, it would make more sense. I still don’t know what your first sentence meant

“ fair share is the amount it takes to pay for the government.“. That sounds like it came right out of the mouth of handy Andy. Maybe if you rephrase it?

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
So you figure it is totally ok the top 1% have tripled or MORE their total wealth. Look at Bezos or Musk, Yep, they really NEED that 200 billion between them. So why don't you contribute to their wealth since you seem so jealous of them? Maybe if you do, some of that trickle down stuff will lift you out of poverty.

Actually, I don’t figure Anything about his success. On the other hand I think you figure that if a man has $80 billion in the bank and, that it is more than he needs, that some entity, maybe you or the government, should be able to go and get a major portion of that $80 billion. You get to decide how much he should have. Maybe 2 billion would be enough for him to have a nice life of a rich person. So you would take away the remaining $78 billion to do with as you will. Seems to me people would stop trying to be successful and make a lot of money if they saw that all of it could be taken away from them. What is your thinking on that. How do you figure?

@averagejoe1 said
I don’t see where I said that. I’m simply asking you if you are now realizing that Biden is doing the same exact things in the way of spending money that you seem to be deriding in your post above. Maybe if you wrote in plain English instead of your clever quips, it would make more sense. I still don’t know what your first sentence meant

“ fair share is the amount it t ...[text shortened]... ernment.“. That sounds like it came right out of the mouth of handy Andy. Maybe if you rephrase it?

If the government wants to spend money on something, it should raise the appropriate funds to do so. That would be fair.

In 2017 we were winding down 2 wars, the economy was roaring, and even better we had fiscal conservatives controlling our government. What happens? The deficit increased by more than $100 BILLION dollars. What happens the next year? The same "conservatives" are in charge and the deficit increases AGAIN! $779 Billion per year. WHAT? Record stock market no wars no recession no kung flu just the government overspending by almost a trillion for no dang good reason.

If you want to drive a Lambo, you should probably consider a career in finance. Republicans think it's perfectly fine to run up the bill and mortgage properties while telling everyone they don't need the money. I get that low taxes are good and popular, but only balanced against spending.

@AverageJoe1
People didn't stop trying to get rich when the top tax rate was 50% or so.

AND BTW, the new tax structure is not that big a deal anyway as far as tax rate goes AND most of the big companies are paying ZERO income tax through Trump era loopholes that shore up the finances of the big companies which was touted as bring in millions of jobs because OBVIOUSLY big companies would be SO altruistic as to be looking out for the welfare of their employees by building new plants, bring plants back to the US from China and the like.

Of course THAT didn't happen. They used the tax bribe to do mainly stock buybacks, which did NOTHING for making new jobs.

A major example of the fuk up that generated, Intel now has to look to China to make the most complex smallest feature transistors, now at TWO nanometers for China and SEVEN Nanometers for Intel.

What happened to them was the Trump tax bribe was used by Intel to do stock buybacks and they didn't put one penny extra into R&D, in fact, cutting the R&D budget and now they are paying for it because they lost technologically and now IBM is the only American company able to make the smallest features on those chips. So there is a huge gap in the production of computer chips for auto manufacturing and some auto plants are closing down, at least temporarily because they cannot get the chips needed for modern cars.

So that is the result, DIRECT result, of the Trump tax bribe.

It did NOTHING for common folks and was ONLY a mechanism to make a company richer and SCREW the workers.

And in spite of ALL the corruption surrounding Trump BESIDES the obvious corruption of Trump and his family, you still think he is superman.

Really SICK, and you have to TOTALLY ignore all the HORRIBLE thinks Trump did, like strip down the science division of the USDA, they have no science division now BECAUSE Trump didn't like what they were writing, for instance, that the climate change issue is right now effecting the nutrient level of rice, now down some 17% at last count, which is not good because it is a staple diet for a billion people or more and there will be consequences for that.

Trump did not want to hear ANYTHING about climate change and when the USDA wrote that report, THAT is when all of a sudden the ENTIRE USDA science division was given the choice to move from Nashville where their lab was to Denver where there was ZERO in the way of labs so if those scientists decided to go along with the program and move their wife, household, kids, rip them out of school for no reason, put those kids in a school a thousand miles from their friends.

Those scientists, all 300 of them, said FUK YOUR MOVE,
Which is exactly what Trump wanted.

Can't have scientists writing truth can we?

THAT is the dude you love.

As only ONE example. I already talked about Trump incarcerating FIVE THOUSAND CHILDREN at the border but that deal was way ok with you since you said OBAMA built the cages.

Which is just a sicko distraction of what Trump repurposed those cages.

AND BTW, which of course you could care less about, 8 children DIED in those horrible camps.

Oh, forgot, brown skins are inferior to the beautiful white skins.

@sonhouse

C'mon, we don't need the racist bullscrapple.

@Earl-of-Trumps
Oh, I didn't know the Trump tax bribe was racist.

Got it. I also didn't know the direct result of at least ONE company screwing up the entire auto industry right now, didn't know THAT was racist either. Good to know.

@wildgrass said
If the government wants to spend money on something, it should raise the appropriate funds to do so. That would be fair.

In 2017 we were winding down 2 wars, the economy was roaring, and even better we had fiscal conservatives controlling our government. What happens? The deficit increased by more than $100 BILLION dollars. What happens the next year? The same "conservat ...[text shortened]... don't need the money. I get that low taxes are good and popular, but only balanced against spending.

Wait, you seem to be speaking about past administrations. Who wants to read all that when we have so much to learn about what Joe Biden is up to? Are you really talking about spending money? Joe Biden?
I really font get your post. You might as well mention Jimmy Carter’s misery index. Focus on Biden. He will lkill the poor andmiddle class, as He continues his route to Socialism

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
People didn't stop trying to get rich when the top tax rate was 50% or so.

AND BTW, the new tax structure is not that big a deal anyway as far as tax rate goes AND most of the big companies are paying ZERO income tax through Trump era loopholes that shore up the finances of the big companies which was touted as bring in millions of jobs because OBVIOUSLY big ...[text shortened]... DIED in those horrible camps.

Oh, forgot, brown skins are inferior to the beautiful white skins.

Cant assess all this, Sonhouse. Some of it may be vorrect? But im a single -issue kinda guy. Please pick just one. And please no Trump (hes gone) and get a bit current.
And you missed my question, regarding the man with $80 billion in the bank. How much to take from him, and what do you spend it on. I think spending it on abortions will be right down your alley. You vould also practice “Social Justice’ (hahaha) and dole it out to losers who wont work.! Personally I would say to beef up the military and spend a lot of it getting rid of government agencies and wasteful entitlement programs.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
People didn't stop trying to get rich when the top tax rate was 50% or so.

Sonhouse you once again miss the point. Hell, i pay 48%. No problem, glad to do it. But Sonhouse, libs say that rich people should pay more, AND an international tax rate. So your comment above is senseless, because i said that if you go way over 50%, it would stifle entrepreneurs. YOU WANT MORE THAN 50%. But you use 50% to make your point!!!!!!
Jesus. You need to polish your debate skills. Whew. It was hard to read all that other mishmash after reading that first sentence, I gotta say

@averagejoe1 said
Wait, you seem to be speaking about past administrations. Who wants to read all that when we have so much to learn about what Joe Biden is up to? Are you really talking about spending money? Joe Biden?
I really font get your post. You might as well mention Jimmy Carter’s misery index. Focus on Biden. He will lkill the poor andmiddle class, as He continues his route to Socialism

I dunno man. It seems like your speculating on Joe Biden. We don't have the numbers yet. There is an indication that he intends to try to pay for his COVID relief plan though, which is more than could be said for the one from last year. I appreciate the intention to pay for things.

@averagejoe1 said
Sonhouse you once again miss the point. Hell, i pay 48%. No problem, glad to do it. But Sonhouse, libs say that rich people should pay more, AND an international tax rate. So your comment above is senseless, because i said that if you go way over 50%, it would stifle entrepreneurs. YOU WANT MORE THAN 50%. But you use 50% to make your point!!!!!!
Jesus. You need to p ...[text shortened]... s. Whew. It was hard to read all that other mishmash after reading that first sentence, I gotta say

I prefer 90% like it was in 1955

@averagejoe1 said
Actually, I don’t figure Anything about his success. On the other hand I think you figure that if a man has $80 billion in the bank and, that it is more than he needs, that some entity, maybe you or the government, should be able to go and get a major portion of that $80 billion. You get to decide how much he should have. Maybe 2 billion would be enough for him to have ...[text shortened]... saw that all of it could be taken away from them. What is your thinking on that. How do you figure?

So you think people wouldn’t bother be entrepreneurial or invest if they were only going to get 2billion at the end of it?

@athousandyoung said
I prefer 90% like it was in 1955

Quite shortsighted You might Google what that would do to our economy. Now I KNOW that you are content with life as a frisbee thrower in the park.
Im thinking that part of that 90% would stock your refrigerator ? Creepy, Thousand.