How to solve the abortion issue

@averagejoe1 said
You are saying the govt should force vasectomies, ( we are speaking theoretically of course). You temper that statement somewhat by mentioning forcing women..., in the same sentence.
I take issue with comparing the two, in that the first one is absolute, govt physically acts. There could be ramification for failing to comply, n'est -ce pas?
One does not 'force ...[text shortened]... rnment got to do with that?
Now, where were we? Do you take exceptions to my comments, how so?

"One does not 'force' a woman to carry a baby, she does it herself."
By banning abortions you are in fact forcing her to carry the baby.

" I do not want to control women, I 'want' them to be responsible for themselves.. .....their choice."
Their choice to be raped. Their choice to be 12 and abused by some random male. Their choice to have an ectopic pregnancy of suffer a miscarriage for any random reason. Their choice to not afford birth control and live in a taliban state and not have access to a Planned Parenthood.

And even if we ignore these circumstances beyond their control, it is STILL their body, their choice. I don't see you say "Guy gets drunk and runs his truck into a tree, it was his choice therefore he doesn't get to go to a hospital and put his skull back together".

"I do not believe In gun control, because I would not be able to protect my children"
Gun control doesn't mean guns are banned, dumbass. It means yahoos are checked for lunacy, outstanding warrants, some minor facts like "have they threatened someone lately", are they the least bit competent, can they fukin see. You know, the minimum, common sense things one is checked for before being handed something dangerous.
How long does it take to be allowed to operate a forklift. How about to get a license to drive. To fukin cut hair. If it takes you longer to stay in line at the DMV just to start the process of getting a license than it takes a florida man to get an AR-15, something is deeply wrong with your country.

"People who want paid maternity should negotiate a job that offers that. "
Yes, because it's that easy. That's why people work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet, because they are have so much damn negotiating power.

Just earlier this year, a democrat government couldn't or wouldn't force the railway companies to give a single day of paid sick leave. Democrat. Republicans wouldn't even have done half the measly deal the democrats did. This is the corrupt, corporate run country you are in.

@zahlanzi said
"One does not 'force' a woman to carry a baby, she does it herself."
By banning abortions you are in fact forcing her to carry the baby.

" I do not want to control women, I 'want' them to be responsible for themselves.. .....their choice."
Their choice to be raped. Their choice to be 12 and abused by some random male. Their choice to have an ectopic pregnancy of suf ...[text shortened]... done half the measly deal the democrats did. This is the corrupt, corporate run country you are in.

zahlooney bamboozle for brains is the solution to illegal immigration, once the millions of people trying to get into the US get this message.

@zahlanzi said
Posts like these are why i believe you really are dumb and not trolling. You didn't realize everything I proposed is happening to women right now already in the US (and a few other countries living under sharia law). Yes, since you would need directions to find your own nose, I am calling the red states the talibans of america.

you're out of your skull, man.

everyone that disagrees with the great you is a Talabani or a Nazi or something.

Jeezus, where do I find'em

@suzianne said
Mind answering the question?

Why don't cons answer questions?

OK. Shallow's question above is 'why dont we get all the guns off he streets." He is speaking of my gun, I assume, and those of criminals. My answer is that I cannot take my gun off the street if the criminal on the street has a gun.
Are we cool now. You are a mess, Suzianne.

@suzianne said
This is why "States Rights" sucks balls.

Nine Justices would disagree with you. Hire a bus and we will all go to DC and given 'em hell. I have never carried a poster board, though, and need lessons on walking in the street. Never done that, either.
You are a mess Suzianne

@divegeester said
Do women who haven’t “given birth” not have a say?

Good one divegeester. Dont expect an unemotional answer which makes sense.
Suzanne is a mess

So if I see a pregnant lady today, I am part of her life?? Oh Zahlanzi...you sound like a socialist who thinks we are all one happy family.
Pregnancy by rape, and incest, are exceptions in these discussions. Suzianne would say you are faking it,.. can you not stipulate to that, it is boring to hear that over and over.
Your next para about guns is unbelievable,,,,,,,fork lifts??. You be a liberal? Write all you want....if criminals have guns, we (the good guys) need to have guns. Do you think the good guys in the Wild West should not have had guns, when the Dalton Gang DID have guns? Zahlanzi?
OK, point made, a secretary might not be able to 'negotiate', s.o I will just back up a step and say people have been getting along for a long time before your proposed government intervention. Americans figure things out. Zahlanzians don't, they run like ninnies to the government to help them raise their children. brrrrrrrrrrrr. One could say the govt owns these people.

@averagejoe1 said
I am part of her life?

Yes. When you vote for and support people taking away abortion rights, you are affecting her life.

@vivify said
Yes. When you vote for and support people taking away abortion rights, you are affecting her life.

BUT< if she had voted for a pro-abortion guy, it would affect MY life. GEEZ.. But...Back up a step, Vivify. She and other citizens voted, before all that, for certain lawmakers. She voted for the guy who makes the law, which law affects her rights and status regarding abortions.
She has thus been wronged by the guy she voted for. I may have voted for a guy who is for less government.
The little lady and I see things differently. I see a person who made a choice that she is unhappy with, I have done that before. I will not do it again, I will plan ahead and be smart.
Vivify, are you telling us that she does not know about birth control? That she does not know how to avoid pregnancy? I believe you are.
So she made a choice and wants me and you and society to fix 'her mistake'. Hell, next she will want us to pay her school loan and give her free child care. I don't ask the govt for anything. She may also ask for free healthcare. And free birth control for recreational sex.
Where does the govt get money for her free healthcare? The govt does not have any money, I am sure you know that.
How far does your socialistic reckoning get into the lives of independent people.
BTW, I have not changed your subject, because it is about the lawmakers,,,,,,it is not about abortions. She needs to elect another lawmaker .

Where are abortion rights, as you call them, codified? From whence does she have an abortion right?
maybe a new thread on that one, we can't discuss abortion enough!!!

@averagejoe1 said
BUT< if she had voted for a pro-abortion guy, it would affect MY life.

How? You can't get pregnant and even if you could no one is forcing you to do anything.

@earl-of-trumps said
you're out of your skull, man.

everyone that disagrees with the great you is a Talabani or a Nazi or something.

Jeezus, where do I find'em

yes, everyone that disagrees with me and has views similar to nazis or talibans is in fact similar to nazis or talibans.

I didn't fuking call him or red states enacting laws out of religious intolerance tal8bans out of the blue. We aren't disagreeing on the best chocolate brand. Right now there is only one party using religion to legislate control against women, just like the talibans do. You are the american talibans.

@averagejoe1 said
So if I see a pregnant lady today, I am part of her life?? Oh Zahlanzi...you sound like a socialist who thinks we are all one happy family.
Pregnancy by rape, and incest, are exceptions in these discussions. Suzianne would say you are faking it,.. can you not stipulate to that, it is boring to hear that over and over.
Your next para about guns is unbelievable,, ...[text shortened]... ent to help them raise their children. brrrrrrrrrrrr. One could say the govt owns these people.

"So if I see a pregnant lady today, I am part of her life??"
wtf are you talking about.

"Pregnancy by rape, and incest, are exceptions in these discussions"
not according to the politicians that share your party, politicians you support.

"Your next para about guns is unbelievable,,,,,,,fork lifts"
you have no idea what my point is, do you? or you forgot what you wanted to say like the senile fart you are.


"Write all you want....if criminals have guns, we (the good guys) need to have guns"
Criminals have guns because it's so damn easy to get guns. They don't just crap those guns themselves. If a gun would cost 10k or 20k dollars or more on the black market because of gun control fewer criminals would have guns. If the ATF wouldn't be gutted at every turn, they could actually do more.

"Do you think the good guys in the Wild West should not have had guns"
You think the US is at the level of civilization of the Wild west? That's quite revealing actually

"I will just back up a step and say people have been getting along for a long time before your proposed government intervention."
Wtf are you talking about this time. Name one time where "people were getting along" without government intervention and i will tell you something the government did that helped them in a different aspect. Nobody just succeeds in a vacuum. That's just a myth Ayn Rand is selling idiots like you.

" Americans figure things out"
That's true of absolutely everyone.

"One could say the govt owns these people."
If one would be particularly dumb, yes, i guess one could say that and other stupid crap

@vivify said
How? You can't get pregnant and even if you could no one is forcing you to do anything.

I am catholic. It is forcing me to live amongst people who kill babies in the womb. So you think I’ll just disregard that? Sure you do, because you are a socialist and an extreme liberal.
You are a bit presumptuous to foist upon the people of our country what your beliefs are, and to tell us, we are wrong. Actually, you are the people who are wrong, because you are fooling with mother nature, not to sound silly..
I can’t believe we are going to have another abortion discussion. That is not what this is about. It is about liberals telling us what to do, when lawmakers make laws that we must abide by. I just hate it for y’all that SCOTUS properly ruled about the way to handle abortions in this country.
So have at it, but can you leave people like me out of your abortion killing business, and all the rest of your ruining-of-America business?

@averagejoe1 said
BUT< if she had voted for a pro-abortion guy, it would affect MY life. GEEZ.. But...Back up a step, Vivify. She and other citizens voted, before all that, for certain lawmakers. She voted for the guy who makes the law, which law affects her rights and status regarding abortions.
She has thus been wronged by the guy she voted for. I may have voted for a guy who ...[text shortened]... se it is about the lawmakers,,,,,,it is not about abortions. She needs to elect another lawmaker .

"BUT< if she had voted for a pro-abortion guy, it would affect MY life"
Would that have meant you are forced to get an abortion? No? then shut the fuk up, it wouldn't affect you in the slightest.