18 Sep 09
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don't bother with the "carbon footprint" BS. Contrary to what we're led to believe in the mainstream media, there is no consensus on how exactly or even if human produced CO2 affects global warming.
Dont worry you grandkids will be paying for all this.................... and everything else.......................
Subject: Cash for Clunkers
Let me see if I understand this correctly…
A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline.
A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average "Cash for Clunkers" transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles – so that's 224 million gallons / year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's US consumption.
And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $70/bbl.
So, we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million.
How good a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by RBHILLWrong forum?
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ...[text shortened]... ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by RBHILLTake out the word exactly, and it's a load of horse manure. Leave it in, and the conclusions are unwarranted.
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ...[text shortened]... ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
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18 Sep 09
Originally posted by RBHILLAll this proves is that beginning with Ronald Reagan the Republicans have so mismanaged our resources that we face catastrophe not only as a country but as a civilization. Their stewardship of this country and this planet is glaringly criminal. And thanks to the contributions of George Bush in pursuing global war your grandchildren are already slated to be in thrall to the Chinese and Arabs until the end of time so why walk around chicken-little-ing a useful program that got a few cars sold in lean times for the car companies, kept some people at work, likely improved your children's chances of not contracting asthma, and gave some of your fellow citizens that new car smell of enjoyment! THE WAR has already cost $910 billion dollars ($8 billion of which was passed out unaccounted for by Bremer and his fellow thieves) and your wailing about a lousy $3 billion? Did you take your medication today? Or are you just lousy at arithmetic?
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ...[text shortened]... ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by TerrierJackGeez, the silence that a lot of TJ's posts get is also telling.
All this proves is that beginning with Ronald Reagan the Republicans have so mismanaged our resources that we face catastrophe not only as a country but as a civilization. Their stewardship of this country and this planet is glaringly criminal. And thanks to the contributions of George Bush in pursuing global war your grandchildren are already slated to ...[text shortened]... ut a lousy $3 billion? Did you take your medication today? Or are you just lousy at arithmetic?
19 Sep 09
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Originally posted by RBHILLBeing in a spiritual forum I will try and respond accordingly.
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
As in the immortal words of Jesus Christ, embrace the truth and the truth will set you free.....which is probably explains their support for cash for clunkers.
19 Sep 09
Originally posted by RBHILLI don't know the math on this one but intuitively, the energy consumption to make a new auto would run an older one quite a ways.
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ...[text shortened]... ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
19 Sep 09
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Originally posted by RBHILLThis kind of email shows the ignorance of much of the US.
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
Even if the figures are correct, the premise behind the argument is totally off-base.
From Wikipedia:
"The Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS), colloquially known as "Cash for Clunkers," was a $3 billion U.S. federal scrappage program intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel efficient vehicle. The program was designed to provide stimulus to the economy by boosting auto sales, while putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways."
The point of the program wasn't to "save money". It was to help stimulate a deeply troubled economy.
Perhaps a more appropriate way to look at it is as a bailout of the auto industry with the added bonus of "putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways." They could have just given the auto industry cash to keep it afloat. Rather they chose to give a rebate to car buyers for trading in vehicles with less desirable characteristics. This way the car buyers pay a majority of the bailout with the added benefit of helping to lessen reliance on fossil fuels, lessen toxic emissions, etc. Overall seems like a pretty smart way to address
multiple problems.
They didn't do it just to "save oil". It wasn't even the primary reason. But lots of Americans suck up this kind of argument without giving it a second thought.
"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics."
21 Sep 09
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I also know this is the wrong forum but newer cars run so much cleaner as efficiently anyway. Compare an old car with a carb. no catalytic converter to a new car fuel injection cat converter and all oh and computer controlled. They give off less emissions and get more power out of less displacement. Fuel economy is great. Given they don't have the overall power of the muscle cars of the late 60's but most of us use cars for transportation. I'm a manager at an Auto Parts chain. Thats why I know a bit on this.
Manny
21 Sep 09
Originally posted by RBHILL1. I reject the math you used here. you are assuming the car will last one year. If the cars last an average of 8 years then the cost of oil not purchased would be roughly $3 Billion. Now that is $3Billion dollars that get used in other parts of our economy, instead of going overseas to fund terrorism.
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ...[text shortened]... ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
I also reject the numbers based on 12,000 miles per year, that number is completely arbitrary, and could very well be higher
2. The purpose had nothing to do with saving oil, it was to stimulate the economy and to support the US auto industry, which it did. The added effect will be a lowering (albieght modest) of steel prices due to the large amount of recycled cars. Of course this effect will be temporary.
3. Ain't it funny how one's dislike for a President can cloud one's judgment? Most economists are haling this program as a huge success, yet extremist like yourself get sick to your stomach at the thought of a successful Obama program. Shame on you, grow up.
21 Sep 09
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Originally posted by RBHILLEven taking those numbers at face value, it doesn't seem like "we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million."
Don't Democrats Just Hate it When Voters Do the Arithmetic?
If voters keep taking the time to do the arithmetic on all of Obama's great schemes, he may yet wind up being a one-term president. And the super majority the Democrats hold in the House and Senate may evaporate as early as the next election cycle. Keep your fingers crossed.
And don ood a deal was that ???
They'll probably do a better job with health care though!!
Rather, it appears that "we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million PER YEAR."
That's a fairly significant difference, don't you think?
Also, cash for clunkers was also about spurring the economy and helping the environment, not simply about getting a return on investment.
I didn't like cash for clunkers. I posted a thread on this board ripping it to shreds.
But I'm not sure that email is a fair criticism.