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@no1marauder saidShe was ordered out of the vehicle, a lawfully binding order…she refused and ran
When did they say "You're under arrest?"
They had plenty of opportunity to do so.
She got ded because of it.
A person is legally under arrest at the moment they are not free to leave.
I thought you knew the laws.
The words do not have to be uttered
@Mott-The-Hoople said"It referenced an almost 100 year old SCOTUS case United States ex rel. Drury v. Lewis, 200 U.S. 1 who's finding was: "Drury squarely holds that a state may prosecute federal agents if they have acted unlawfully in carrying out their duties."
No it wasn’t…scotus didn’t hear that case
You lie again
They didn't have to hear that case; they had already stated the legal principle long ago.
@no1marauder saidonly if a fed officer has acted illegally.
"It referenced an almost 100 year old SCOTUS case United States ex rel. Drury v. Lewis, 200 U.S. 1 who's finding was: "Drury squarely holds that a state may prosecute federal agents if they have acted unlawfully in carrying out their duties."
They didn't have to hear that case; they had already stated the legal principle long ago.
a fed judge will rule in any case before it is allowed on a state level.
states cant just up and bring charges
@Mott-The-Hoople saidNo, it wasn't a "legally binding order". ICE has no authority to make traffic stops as I already showed you.
She was ordered out of the vehicle, a lawfully binding order…she refused and ran
She got ded because of it.
A person is legally under arrest at the moment they are not free to leave.
I thought you knew the laws.
The words do not have to be uttered
I know the laws and in this case it's doubtful the ICE agents had any legal reason to even stop Goode and her partner, never mind arrest them.
@no1marauder saidI or no one claimed an officer acting illegally could not face state charges,
"It referenced an almost 100 year old SCOTUS case United States ex rel. Drury v. Lewis, 200 U.S. 1 who's finding was: "Drury squarely holds that a state may prosecute federal agents if they have acted unlawfully in carrying out their duties."
They didn't have to hear that case; they had already stated the legal principle long ago.
Dont attempt to change my words
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidHomicide is illegal in Minnesota.
only if a fed officer has acted illegally.
a fed judge will rule in any case before it is allowed on a state level.
states cant just up and bring charges
No, the State charges would be moved to Federal court assuming the defendant requests it. The Hennepin County DA can bring charges in her jurisdiction without permission from any Federal judge.
@no1marauder saidHere, learn something
Homicide is illegal in Minnesota.
No, the State charges would be moved to Federal court assuming the defendant requests it. The Hennepin County DA can bring charges in her jurisdiction without permission from any Federal judge.
“These factors resurfaced in the Court’s most recent Bivens decision, Hernandez v. Mesa. In that case, a federal immigration officer shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who was playing on the Mexican side of the Texas-Mexico border. The boy’s family sued the officer under Bivens, and the Court ruled that the claim could not go forward. It did so based on its conclusion that allowing the case to proceed would have a potential effect on foreign relations and would risk undermining border security.
The combined effect of these developments in the law, especially the decisions in Abbasi and Hernandez, is that it is very difficult for persons whose rights are violated by federal officers to sue the federal officers for their conduct. Based on the guidance provided by the Supreme Court, at the start of any case brought against a federal officer, lower federal courts consider as a threshold issue whether the case can go forward. When they do so, they do not consider the merits of the plaintiff’s constitutional claim—that is, they do not even address whether the officer violated the Constitution. This means that, not only are victims prevented from bringing their cases, but courts are declining the opportunity to provide guidance to federal officers about whether conduct is unconstitutional in the first place”
https://www.nlg-npap.org/bivens-precedent/
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidThat's a civil case not a criminal one:
Here, learn something
“These factors resurfaced in the Court’s most recent Bivens decision, Hernandez v. Mesa. In that case, a federal immigration officer shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who was playing on the Mexican side of the Texas-Mexico border. The boy’s family sued the officer under Bivens, and the Court ruled that the claim could not go forward. It did ...[text shortened]... ther conduct is unconstitutional in the first place”
https://www.nlg-npap.org/bivens-precedent/
"The combined effect of these developments in the law, especially the decisions in Abbasi and Hernandez, is that it is very difficult for persons whose rights are violated by federal officers to sue the federal officers for their conduct."
Learn that.
@no1marauder saidAnother lie by you.
That's a civil case not a criminal one:
"The combined effect of these developments in the law, especially the decisions in Abbasi and Hernandez, is that it is very difficult for persons whose rights are violated by federal officers to sue the federal officers for their conduct."
Learn that.
“a federal immigration officer shot and killed a 15-year-old boy “
You are hopeless…getting tired of slapping you down
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidRead your own link, fool.
Another lie by you.
“a federal immigration officer shot and killed a 15-year-old boy “
You are hopeless…getting tired of slapping you down
Do you know what the word "sue" means?
EDIT: Or better yet the case itself:
"he shooting drew international attention, and the Department of Justice investigated, concluded that Agent Mesa had not violated Customs and Border Patrol policy or training, and declined to bring charges against him. The United States also denied Mexico’s request for Agent Mesa to be extradited to face criminal charges in Mexico.
Petitioners sued for damages in U. S. District Court under Bivens v. Six Unknown Fed. Narcotics Agents, 403 U.S. 388, alleging that Mesa violated Hernández’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. "
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/589/17-1678/
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@no1marauder saidFirst paragraph at first of article linked.
Read your own link, fool.
Do you know what the word "sue" means?
EDIT: Or better yet the case itself:
"he shooting drew international attention, and the Department of Justice investigated, concluded that Agent Mesa had not violated Customs and Border Patrol policy or training, and declined to bring charges against him. The United States also denied Mexico’s reque ...[text shortened]... z’s Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. "
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/589/17-1678/
“When an officer employed by a state or local government violates someone’s rights through, for example, excessive use of force, the person can sue the officer in federal court.”
There is no equal law for fed officers, but this law is used by precedent.
@Mott-The-Hoople saidAs I already said:
First paragraph at first of article linked.
“When an officer employed by a state or local government violates someone’s rights through, for example, excessive use of force, the person can sue the officer in federal court.”
There is no equal law for fed officers, but this law is used by precedent.
no1: That's a civil case not a criminal one.
The cover up continues:
"FBI agent Tracee Mergen resigned after an attempt to investigate the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) officer involved in the fatal shooting of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis earlier this month, The New York Times reports."
"Mergen, a supervisor, had initially opened a civil rights inquiry into ICE officer Jonathan Ross after the January 7 shooting in which Good, a 37-year-old U.S. citizen and mother, was fatally shot in her vehicle.
CNN, citing two sources, reported that after Mergen opened a civil rights investigation, she was instructed to reclassify it as an assault-on-officer case and that the FBI blocked the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from participating."
https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-agents-resignation-amid-renee-good-probe-sparks-mixed-reaction-online-11411192