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@earl-of-trumps saidProve it.
Some states tried that (Texas). The courts ruled it unconstitutional
It would be weird if you are right, considering all the laws on the books about employment and immigration etc.
Indeed, if you are right then most laws regarding undocumented immigration are unconstitutional. That'd be weird.
I think there was a law ruled unconstitutional in which Arizona wanted to check the immigration status of random people on the street without just cause. Of course that was unconstitutional. But an employer? No.
I don't believe you.
@earl-of-trumps saidYeah. There are many laws against employing people who don't have any paperwork from immigration to permit their employment.
Here's what I can say about laws in general. If you don't like a law, either change the law, or obey the law.
The Democrats have had it all their way for two years, (House Senate, Executive). You did NOTHING about immigration.
Live with it. Enforce the law.
Ron DeSantis chooses not to enforce it. Why?
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@earl-of-trumps said
Here's what I can say about laws in general. If you don't like a law, either change the law, or obey the law.
The Democrats have had it all their way for two years, (House Senate, Executive). You did NOTHING about immigration.
Live with it. Enforce the law.
If you don't like a law, either change the law, or obey the law.
We're talking about our elected leaders who support the law (or at least they say they do publicly) but they still don't enforce them. What's that about? It goes even well beyond that, because they are using tax dollars to subsidize the profits of businesses who are known to be using undocumented labor in their businesses and no one bats an eye.
But ship them to another location within the US? National news. You're going to ship immigrants in private jets around the country on the taxpayers dime, but won't enforce immigration laws in your own state? And conservatives like that?
@earl-of-trumps saidEarl.
Here's what I can say about laws in general. If you don't like a law, either change the law, or obey the law.
The Democrats have had it all their way for two years, (House Senate, Executive). You did NOTHING about immigration.
Live with it. Enforce the law.
DeSantis is a Republican. He has authority to crack down on undocumented workers at their places of employment. You vaguely stated this was unconstitutional, but I can't find any evidence of that.
Why is DeSantis shipping humans on private jets when he can actually crack down on businesses hiring illegals and stop the influx overnight?
Is it possibly because he cares more about theater instead of actually doing anything?
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@wildgrass saidExcept, of course, his family's companies.
DeSantis is a Republican. He has authority to crack down on undocumented workers at their places of employment.
@wildgrass saidYou got me! - well, sorta not. Here's one that is interesting.
Prove it.
It would be weird if you are right, considering all the laws on the books about employment and immigration etc.
Indeed, if you are right then most laws regarding undocumented immigration are unconstitutional. That'd be weird.
I think there was a law ruled unconstitutional in which Arizona wanted to check the immigration status of random people on the stre ...[text shortened]... ithout just cause. Of course that was unconstitutional. But an employer? No.
I don't believe you.
Supreme Court upholds Ariz. law punishing companies that hire illegal immigrants
By Robert BarnesMay 26, 2011
Arizona, the state at the forefront of efforts to crack down on illegal immigration, may revoke the business licenses of companies that knowingly employ undocumented workers, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
In a 5 to 3 vote, the court rejected arguments that control over illegal immigration is solely a federal responsibility and endorsed narrowly drawn state efforts to regulate the employment of those in the country illegally. Eight other states — Colorado, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia — have passed similar laws that would punish companies for hiring undocumented workers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-upholds-ariz-law-punishing-companies-that-hire-illegal-immigrants/2011/05/26/AGhHG2BH_story.html
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The case I recall that failed was in Texas. But it was a long time ago. Now, there are very strict laws
on the federal level that apply when you get caught hiring an illegal alien.
Penalties for Hiring Undocumented Immigrants
You may be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense. If you are found to have engaged in a "pattern and practice" of hiring undocumented workers, then you can be fined up to $3,000 per employee and/or imprisoned for up to six months.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/legal-pitfalls-hiring-undocumented-immigrants.html
@wildgrass saidCurious. Put this in plain English. Y'all try to be so cute. If we were sitting. talking at Starbucks, would you talk like this? Really. Life is too short.
Earl.
DeSantis is a Republican. He has authority to crack down on undocumented workers at their places of employment. You vaguely stated this was unconstitutional, but I can't find any evidence of that.
Why is DeSantis shipping humans on private jets when he can actually crack down on businesses hiring illegals and stop the influx overnight?
Is it possibly because he cares more about theater instead of actually doing anything?
@shallow-blue saidI'm gettiing to where I cannot tell you fellers apart, exception being Sonhouse, I can recognize with my eyes closed.
I bet AverageJoe has them mowing his lawn and cleaning his pond, while his wife gawks at their half-clad bodies.
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Hype vs Reality?
The reality is we got 2 million people a month coming across the border that we know of and no telling how many more are getting through under the radar.
Used to be a paint company ad that showed the globe being slathered in paint with the catchphrase "We cover the Earth."
That's exactly what is happening to the USA, there is a brown wave overtaking our country with no end in sight, and if it doesn't stop, the US will look just like Mexico/Central/South America in another 20 years.
Over 20 countries comprise what we call Latin America, can you point to any one of them and claim a Hispanic United States will be an improvement in some way?
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@jj-adams saidI see you didn't read past the title.
Hype vs Reality?
The reality is we got 2 million people a month coming across the border that we know of and no telling how many more are getting through under the radar.
Used to be a paint company ad that showed the globe being slathered in paint with the catchphrase "We cover the Earth."
That's exactly what is happening to the USA, there is a brown wave overtaking our c ...[text shortened]... you point to any one of them and claim a Hispanic United States will be an improvement in some way?
Hype vs. reality refers to the fact that the Trump dogma for immigration policy was ineffective at stopping illegal immigration. I know you're emotional on this topic and have some fun anecdotes, but the solution to the problem is not what Republicans are proposing.
The solution is in our existing law. We KNOW that 1/2 of all farm workers are undocumented. Ron DeSantis has the power to enforce those laws. He chooses not to. Why?
@earl-of-trumps saidRight. That's my point. There are millions of undocumented workers in Ron DeSantis' state. He knows who they are and where they work.
You got me! - well, sorta not. Here's one that is interesting.
Supreme Court upholds Ariz. law punishing companies that hire illegal immigrants
By Robert BarnesMay 26, 2011
Arizona, the state at the forefront of efforts to crack down on illegal immigration, may revoke the business licenses of companies that knowingly employ undocumented workers, the S ...[text shortened]...
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/legal-pitfalls-hiring-undocumented-immigrants.html
If... if... he chose to enforce these penalties, it would immediately stop the flow of migrants to his state. They would go elsewhere.
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@wildgrass saidIf they are undocumented with no public record of their existence...
Right. That's my point. There are millions of undocumented workers in Ron DeSantis' state. He knows who they are and where they work.
HOW WOULD HE KNOW WHO AND WHERE THEY ARE?
@wildgrass saidWikldgrass. There are many examples of Biden not enforcing the law. The border is Number 1. Whew.If you don't like a law, either change the law, or obey the law.
We're talking about our elected leaders who support the law (or at least they say they do publicly) but they still don't enforce them. What's that about? It goes even well beyond that, because they are using tax dollars to subsidize the profits of businesses who are known to be using undocument ...[text shortened]... e taxpayers dime, but won't enforce immigration laws in your own state? And conservatives like that?