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  1. 09 Jul '09 17:40 / 4 edits
    I talked to a guy the other day who had an interesting perspecitve on world events. Specifically, he viewed the world as moving to a one world order of sorts. It was his view that the global move towards statism/progressivism/socialism etc, (however you would like to describe it), is what we see in most countries around the world. However, those that do not play this game, such as regimes like that of Saddam or even North Korea or even Pakistan etc, have become international targets of sorts because they are outsiders in many respects. My quesiton is, have these regimes been demonized simply because they are not "progressive" or are they demonized because their just plan "bad"? In additoin, as crazy as it may sound, are they the last bastions of freedom in a world moving toward collectivism and a herd mentality?
  2. 09 Jul '09 17:45
    So in the light of the world becoming more "progressive", how do you explain the losses of the social democrats at the EU elections last month?

    You're starting to lose grip of reality.
  3. 09 Jul '09 17:48
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    So in the light of the world becoming more "progressive", how do you explain the losses of the social democrats at the EU elections last month?

    You're starting to lose grip of reality.
    You're starting to lose grip of reality.

    I think he lost it a long time ago. but its more evident now that Obama was elected.
  4. 09 Jul '09 17:53
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    So in the light of the world becoming more "progressive", how do you explain the losses of the social democrats at the EU elections last month?

    You're starting to lose grip of reality.
    Its simply a back lash on what the public has been subjected to. However, we will see if it actually results in any substinative change. If not, it was simply the public crying out with no one to hear them.
  5. 09 Jul '09 18:00
    Originally posted by whodey
    Its simply a back lash on what the public has been subjected to. However, we will see if it actually results in any substinative change. If not, it was simply the public crying out with no one to hear them.
    are you hallucinating?

    what exactly are the people being subjected to? They voted Obama into power for christ's sake.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Jul '09 18:09
    Originally posted by whodey
    I talked to a guy the other day who had an interesting perspecitve on world events. Specifically, he viewed the world as moving to a one world order of sorts. It was his view that the global move towards statism/progressivism/socialism etc, (however you would like to describe it), is what we see in most countries around the world. However, those that do no ...[text shortened]... hey the last bastions of freedom in a world moving toward collectivism and a herd mentality?
    I think the World has actually moved away from socialism more than towards it over the last few decades, northern Europe excepted perhaps.

    I don't think NK is a target because it is not progressive, but because it is run by power hungry borderline mentally ill despot who is Hell bent on subjugating his own people and developing nuclear weapons to achieve more wealth and power for himself.

    I fail to see how Iraq under Saddam or NK under Kim are examples of freedom.
  7. 09 Jul '09 18:23
    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]I think the World has actually moved away from socialism more than towards it over the last few decades, northern Europe excepted perhaps.
    How specifically?
  8. 09 Jul '09 18:27 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76

    I don't think NK is a target because it is not progressive, but because it is run by power hungry borderline mentally ill despot who is Hell bent on subjugating his own people and developing nuclear weapons to achieve more wealth and power for himself.

    I fail to see how Iraq under Saddam or NK under Kim are examples of freedom.[/b]
    All valid points. Of course, to sound even MORE paranoid, if that is even possible, is what we hear about them really true? Of course, I believe what we hear to be the truth, at least, I'm not that far gone.....yet anyway.

    In all seriousness though, these rogues states are all that is left to stand up to such things as a global economy etc. In order to stand up to it, however, they must be strongly independent. I guess it is then no wonder that those countries left are run by power hungry and controling dictators. All the "nice" nations have been absorbed.
  9. 09 Jul '09 18:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    How specifically?
    Many European countries, the Northern ones included, have privatized previously state-owned industries, with varying success.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Jul '09 18:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    How specifically?
    Reagan and GWB were both more conservative economically than most of their predecessors. Communism collapsed around the World. Even China is now CINO (Communist in name only). I guess Latin America is another exception though.
  11. 09 Jul '09 18:31
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Many European countries, the Northern ones included, have privatized previously state-owned industries, with varying success.
    Well I suppose that is one example, Any others?
  12. 09 Jul '09 18:34
    Originally posted by sh76
    Reagan and GWB were both more conservative economically than most of their predecessors. Communism collapsed around the World. Even China is now CINO (Communist in name only). I guess Latin America is another exception though.
    What I am looking at is the "Big Picure". In other words, how have nations become global? Another right wing term might be how have we moved towards a "One World Order"? The fall of communism was key to this step in the former USSR as well as that of China. In short, the walls had to come down!!
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Jul '09 18:37
    Originally posted by whodey
    What I am looking at is the "Big Picure". In other words, how have nations become global? Another right wing term might be how have we moved towards a "One World Order"? The fall of communism was key to this step in the former USSR as well as that of China. In short, the walls had to come down!!
    Globalization is happening because of advances in technology that allow it, not because of a shift in World attitude.
  14. 09 Jul '09 18:38
    Originally posted by whodey
    Well I suppose that is one example, Any others?
    In 2006, a health care reform was conducted in Holland, which changed the system from universal health care for the poor and private health care for the upper middle class and above to a semi-privatized system where private insurance is mandatory but is partially compensated if you are poor.
  15. 09 Jul '09 23:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    I talked to a guy the other day who had an interesting perspecitve on world events. Specifically, he viewed the world as moving to a one world order of sorts. It was his view that the global move towards statism/progressivism/socialism etc, (however you would like to describe it), is what we see in most countries around the world. However, those that do no ...[text shortened]... hey the last bastions of freedom in a world moving toward collectivism and a herd mentality?
    They are wild cards to the one world order. The United States are as well. The leadership here is on board with it, but the population needs more dumbing down. They will be coming for the guns and or Ammo soon.