Originally posted by @eladarObviously that's an impossible question to answer, as it depends on myriads of factors such as cost of living in the area, family size and how the people plan to live.
Lol you certainly do not like answering direct questions. In your opinion what would be the net worth of an estate you described in your original remark. You know, the one that had enough money for surviving spouse to live easily for 20 years then have money left over for beneficiaries.
Moreover, it's completely irrelevant to the point of the conversation, as I have clearly demonstrated.
Originally posted by @sh76Well what is the typical size estate that you deal with? Median? Low end vs top end?
Obviously that's an impossible question to answer, as it depends on myriads of factors such as cost of living in the area, family size and how the people plan to live.
Moreover, it's completely irrelevant to the point of the conversation, as I have clearly demonstrated.
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Originally posted by @eladarI don't do that any more, but when I did...
Well what is the typical size estate that you deal with? Median? Low end vs top end?
Low end: No liquid assets but a house with a couple of hundred grand in equity.
High end: Probably about $30 million. Richer than that, and they'd go to these huge or boutique NYC firms that charge 10 times as much for the same services, but have really nice conference rooms, great views of Rockefeller Center and high-end coffee.
Median: Impossible to say, but as a "typical" guesstimate, I'd say a house with a few hundred thousand in equity, a life insurance policy with a 6 or 7 figure death benefit and savings plus retirement assets in the neighborhood of 300-500k.
Originally posted by @sh76Wow house and no liquid assets and they can set up cash flow for their surviving wife plus have money set aside for others?
I don't do that any more, but when I did...
Low end: No liquid assets but a house with a couple of hundred grand in equity.
High end: Probably about $30 million. Richer than that, and they'd go to these huge or boutique NYC firms that charge 10 times as much for the same services, but have really nice conference rooms, great views of Rockefeller Center a ...[text shortened]... 6 or 7 figure death benefit and savings plus retirement assets in the neighborhood of 300-500k.
I think you are blowing smoke.
Originally posted by @eladarI guess you haven't been paying attention.
Wow house and no liquid assets and they can set up cash flow for their surviving wife plus have money set aside for others?
I think you are blowing smoke.
It's not just about the cash flow. It's also about the right to live in the house.
Your thesis (amended multiple times) in this thread is thread now seems to be that people should suck up to mom who will control the disposition of the family home (since there are no other assets) at her death because she'll be the second-to-die. I keep explaining how this can be avoided with some simple estate planning, but you're not buying it.
Okay, so let's be very simple and take your case. Man and wife live in house. No income but social security and maybe a small pension. Maybe a few bucks in the bank but nothing significant.
Problem: We don't want the kids to have to suck up to Mom to get a piece of the house when the old batalax kicks.
Solution: While man and wife are alive, put the house into a trust that says both spouses have the right to live in the house until death and then the house is split equally among the children at the second death.
If there's cash too, then sure, put the bulk of that in the trust. Otherwise, don't.
Any questions?
Originally posted by @sh76"Solution: While man and wife are alive, put the house into a trust that says both spouses have the right to live in the house until death and then the house is split equally among the children at the second death."
I guess you haven't been paying attention.
It's not just about the cash flow. It's also about the right to live in the house.
Your thesis (amended multiple times) in this thread is thread now seems to be that people should suck up to mom who will control the disposition of the family home (since there are no other assets) at her death because she'll be t ...[text shortened]... re's cash too, then sure, put the bulk of that in the trust. Otherwise, don't.
Any questions?
Question...
can a living trust be revoked?
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleThere are both types: revocable and irrevocable.
"Solution: While man and wife are alive, put the house into a trust that says both spouses have the right to live in the house until death and then the house is split equally among the children at the second death."
Question...
can a living trust be revoked?
The one in this sort of plan would either be irrevocable from the outset or revocable until the first death (or perhaps until one spouse becomes incompetent). After the first death, it would have to be irrevocable for the plan to work.
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Originally posted by @sh76I was responding to your first reply numbnuts.
I guess you haven't been paying attention.
It's not just about the cash flow. It's also about the right to live in the house.
Your thesis (amended multiple times) in this thread is thread now seems to be that people should suck up to mom who will control the disposition of the family home (since there are no other assets) at her death because she'll be t ...[text shortened]... re's cash too, then sure, put the bulk of that in the trust. Otherwise, don't.
Any questions?
I guess the wife is not the owner of the property even if her name is on it. If she is unwilling to put the property in the trust then your plan is out the wondow.
Originally posted by @eladarUmmm, yeah. Estate planning is a voluntary process.
I was responding to your first reply numbnuts.
I guess the wife is not the owner of the property even if her name is on it. If she is unwilling to put the property in the trust then your plan is out the wondow.
I don't know the kind of people you deal with, but most couples I deal with are willing to work together to protect their children.
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Originally posted by @sh76Protect their children from their mother?
Ummm, yeah. Estate planning is a voluntary process.
I don't know the kind of people you deal with, but most couples I deal with are willing to work together to protect their children.
You hang around some pretty controlling men.