10 Apr 23
@suzianne saidWhat they're waiting for is the full effect dim shrieking and for them to start a million threads all over the internet talking about Trump, You can't put a dollar number on all the free campaign promotion dims do for Trump. He told them what he was going to do back in 2015, i.e. court controversy, it doesn't matter what they're saying as long as they're saying that name over and over.
Contrary to Republican ostriches lately, the NY State indictments aren't helping Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-illegal-poll/story?id=98430435
@suzianne saidIt is really curious all the pundits disagree, some say he will be helped by it all. A lot of forum fodder ahead. Do you know why others like Hilary were never brought in , at a cost of $200M , for her several felonies,? Server, destroyed emails, destroyed govt property, the Russia hoax, et al, yet they have Trump in chains for book entries in 2017, purportedly done to affect a 2016 election?
Contrary to Republican ostriches lately, the NY State indictments aren't helping Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-illegal-poll/story?id=98430435
Everyone makes cute remarks but have no answers? Are you curious?
@suzianne saidIt is helping his fund raising.
Contrary to Republican ostriches lately, the NY State indictments aren't helping Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-americans-trump-illegal-poll/story?id=98430435
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/trump-campaign-raised-7-million-since-indictment.html
Where is the poll asking if all politicians are likely doing something illegal?
Misusing campaign funds is commonplace. Almost all of them do it. See shav's thread about Clarence Thomas, more US corruption.
Do you support indicting Clarence Thomas and impeaching him?
10 Apr 23
Each and every single scandal helps Trump because it's an occasion to rally right-wingers. Conservative media tells their masses why Trump's crimes are actually okay and why his lies are no big deal. This ends with Republican pundits saying the left is the real enemy and they all cheer.
But this is only with his base. Those who weren't Trump supporters, including Republicans, ended up reviling him more: Dems who refused to vote for Hillary were fired up to vote him out of office. Trump had more votes for impeachment by his *own* party than any other president.
Trump's own base reaffirms their love for him with each scandal but the rest America and the world gets more disgusted with him.
10 Apr 23
@vivify saidThree-quarters say Trump indictment political, but most still approve: poll
Each and every single scandal helps Trump because it's an occasion to rally right-wingers. Conservative media tells their masses why Trump's crimes are actually okay and why his lies are no big deal. This ends with Republican pundits saying the left is the real enemy and they all cheer.
But this is only with his base. Those who weren't Trump supporters, including Republ ...[text shortened]... heir love for him with each scandal but the rest America and the world gets more disgusted with him.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/03/poll-76-say-trump-indictment-political-but-60-approve/
That means that despite knowing it is a political witch hunt most people approve of the witch hunt. 🤔
10 Apr 23
@metal-brain saidIt's not a witch hunt if a grand jury believed there was enough evidence to charge Trump with 34 felony counts.
Three-quarters say Trump indictment political, but most still approve: poll
https://nypost.com/2023/04/03/poll-76-say-trump-indictment-political-but-60-approve/
That means that despite knowing it is a political witch hunt most people approve of the witch hunt. 🤔
10 Apr 23
@vivify
I think you fail to realize that 3 out of 4 of those grand jury people think it is likely it is a political witch hunt. Let's assume about half of those are republicans. That means about half of democrats think it is likely it is a political witch hunt and support the witch hunt anyway.
@metal-brain saidYou don't know what the grand jury was thinking, nor do you know their political affiliation or even who they are. You're making things up.
@vivify
I think you fail to realize that 3 out of 4 of those grand jury people think it is likely it is a political witch hunt. Let's assume about half of those are republicans. That means about half of democrats think it is likely it is a political witch hunt and support the witch hunt anyway.
Your article also doesn't say they believed it was a "witch hunt", it says they believe it was politically motivated. That's not the same thing. A witch hunt has no basis in reality, unlike Trump's indictment.
10 Apr 23
@vivify saidAre you taking the position that "politically motivated" is fair and not at all nefarious? LOL. I would be more than happy to debate that with you.
You don't know what the grand jury was thinking, nor do you know their political affiliation or even who they are. You're making things up.
Your article also doesn't say they believed it was a "witch hunt", it says they believe it was politically motivated. That's not the same thing. A witch hunt has no basis in reality, unlike Trump's indictment.
Assuming that a very small percentage of democrats do not approve of the "politically motivated" targeting of Trump what does that tell you? That tells you that about half of all democrats are prioritizing vengeance over justice.
10 Apr 23
@metal-brain saidYou fail to realise what you just wrote is rabid speculation and completely baseless.
@vivify
I think you fail to realize that 3 out of 4 of those grand jury people think it is likely it is a political witch hunt. Let's assume about half of those are republicans. That means about half of democrats think it is likely it is a political witch hunt and support the witch hunt anyway.
Yet you peddle it as fact.
10 Apr 23
@vivify saidAgreed.
It's not a witch hunt if a grand jury believed there was enough evidence to charge Trump with 34 felony counts.
And what’s more, if the court case(s) make trump more or less popular is neither here nor there.
You can’t let justice be a popularity contest.
If the prosecution is moving forward with charges, they obviously think they’ve got a good case.
10 Apr 23
@metal-brain saidDamn near everything American politicians do is politically motivated. That doesn't make them right but that doesn't necessarily make politically motivated investigations "witch hunts"
Are you taking the position that "politically motivated" is fair and not at all nefarious? LOL. I would be more than happy to debate that with you.
Assuming that a very small percentage of democrats do not approve of the "politically motivated" targeting of Trump what does that tell you? That tells you that about half of all democrats are prioritizing vengeance over justice.
If a cop who's a hardcore liberal Democrat pulls over Brett Kavanaugh for driving drunk, it's not a "witch hunt" if the cop arrests him for failing the breathalyzer.
The charges against Trump have gone through an extensive legal process in order to get an indictment. Is it politically motivated? Maybe. Is it a "witch hunt"? No.
@shavixmir saidSpot on,
Agreed.
And what’s more, if the court case(s) make trump more or less popular is neither here nor there.
You can’t let justice be a popularity contest.
If the prosecution is moving forward with charges, they obviously think they’ve got a good case.
10 Apr 23
@vivify saidOkay, let's define "politically motivated" and the implications since you want me to think it is such a benign normalcy.
Damn near everything American politicians do is politically motivated. That doesn't make them right but that doesn't necessarily make politically motivated investigations "witch hunts"
If a cop who's a hardcore liberal Democrat pulls over Brett Kavanaugh for driving drunk, it's not a "witch hunt" if the cop arrests him for failing the breathalyzer.
The charges again ...[text shortened]... ess in order to get an indictment. Is it politically motivated? Maybe. Is it a "witch hunt"? No.
When Bush V Gore was decided by the supreme court it was a 5 to 4 decision.
Was that decision politically motivated?