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@Metal-Brain saidIran has done no damage to us? The Iran hostage crisis, Iran, support of Hiba and Hamas, and let's not forget backing, malicious that attacked American troops during the Iraq war.
Iran has done no damage to us. They overthrew their brutal dictator and Carter gave him refuge in the USA. Carter protected a war criminal.
And Trump is still lying about the war. He said Iran had nothing left to fight with and that is a lie. Iran is still striking US bases. No tankers are going though the straits. It is an obvious lie and it will only be a matter of t ...[text shortened]... mbed that girl school which was on the TV news today. There will be calls for his impeachment again.
As far as Jimmy Carter, what actually happened was Carter allowed him to enter mainly for medical treatment he had cancer. His admission helped trigger the hostage crisis, but that does not justify taking hostages or attacking Americans.
(Cant you come up with ANYTHING concrete??)
And as you mention trump, your dislike seething, whether you like him or not doesn't really answer the question I raised what should the US do if Iran threatened shipping or original stability??
You mentioned some claims, attacks on bases, tankers is blocked, a school bombing. Do you have reliable sources for those claims? AND DID YOU JUST MENTION THIS AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 3??
"You have no evidence. You have allegations and nothing more".Jesus. Not too smart to mess with Avjoe.
Anyway, all that said., my original point wasn't about defending Trump or attacking him. It was about whether the US should wait until a threat becomes immediate, or act earlier. That is the real debate. As a liberal you do not know squat about debate. You know TDS, and that gives you a tried and true springboard, but hoiu land in a dry swimming pool every time.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYou were mislead by propaganda.
Iran has done no damage to us? The Iran hostage crisis, Iran, support of Hiba and Hamas, and let's not forget backing, malicious that attacked American troops during the Iraq war.
As far as Jimmy Carter, what actually happened was Carter allowed him to enter mainly for medical treatment he had cancer. His admission helped trigger the hostage crisis, but that does not jus ...[text shortened]... and that gives you a tried and true springboard, but hoiu land in a dry swimming pool every time.
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Trump began his eight-minute video with the opening remark that “For 47 years, the Iranian regime has… waged an unending campaign of bloodshed and mass murder, targeting the United States [and] our troops.” He then itemizes the charges.
The first “was to back a violent takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holding dozens of American hostages for 444 days.” Iran is guilty of this charge, and there is no defense for the taking of hostages. But there is a context.
Vali Nasr, Professor of International Affairs and Middle East Studies at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, has explained that “In the popular mind, the hostage crisis was seen as justified by what happened in 1953.”
What happened in 1953, that Trump leaves out, is that the U.S. and Britain took out Mohammad Mosaddeq, the democratically elected leader of Iran, in a coup. They placed the Shah back on the throne, thwarting the will of the Iranian people and ushering in years of savage and repressive dictatorship; this included the repression of opposition media, political parties and unions by the Shah, as well as his murderous SAVAK secret police and their notorious torture chambers.
When the students took over the U.S. embassy in the hostage taking, they were able to piece together shredded documents. They would discover that there were CIA offices in SAVAK headquarters, and that the CIA had been involved in the training of SAVAK officers. Stephen Kizner tells the story of the U.S. hostage who complained to his Iranian captor about his imprisonment. “You have nothing to complain about,” said his captor. “The United States took our whole country hostage in 1953.”
The hostage taking was wrong. But it was a response to an earlier wrong in 1953. The Iranians chased out the Shah only to have the U.S. intervene and put him back on the throne. In 1979 the Iranians finally chased him out again, only to have the U.S. take him in and provide him with sanctuary. The Iranians saw the hostage taking as an attempt to prevent American midwifery from delivering the same fate again.
@Metal-Brain saidNo, small minds do not get the rhetoric oa leader like Trump, he is moving so faxt his lips get ahead of him, however, it is logical that for him to do business in this new global world which he has created, whether you like it or not, he would like to have someone on that throne that is friendly. Look at it this way... do you think he's just gonna sit in DC and see who ends up in that seat ,or do you think he might want to have something to say about it since he put them all there in the first place.
@AverageJoe1
They Told Us This Wasn't Regime Change. Now Trump says he wants to pick the leader. The guy flip flops so much the democrats are going to torture him when the realize how easy it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cglIIVzTqI
Y'all sound weaker with every day. Do you know maraduer once said that in competitive sports that there should be no winners or losers, that everyone get a trophy. Well, I'm sorry to tell y'all you're looking at big-time winners here. US!
Changing directions or revising decisions is not the same as 'flip flopping'. You write like sueann
@AverageJoe1 saidWatch the NBC Nightly News from today. The tankers are blocked which is why oil prices are still rising. Just take a look at the gas station. Don't deny what everyone has accepted but you. You are insulting people's intelligence.
Iran has done no damage to us? The Iran hostage crisis, Iran, support of Hiba and Hamas, and let's not forget backing, malicious that attacked American troops during the Iraq war.
As far as Jimmy Carter, what actually happened was Carter allowed him to enter mainly for medical treatment he had cancer. His admission helped trigger the hostage crisis, but that does not jus ...[text shortened]... and that gives you a tried and true springboard, but hoiu land in a dry swimming pool every time.
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@Metal-Brain saidWhat in the hell are you fellers after here on the Forum? Look at all that stuff you wrote. Tell us what you want here. That is the discussion,,,,,not history and how we got here. We have a bombed out Iran and its military, something to write about. If I were interested in your stuff, I would read Sonhouse.
You were mislead by propaganda.
Trump began his eight-minute video with the opening remark that “For 47 years, the Iranian regime has… waged an unending campaign of bloodshed and mass murder, targeting the United States [and] our troops.” He then itemizes the charges.
The first “was to back a violent takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holding dozens of American ...[text shortened]... the hostage taking as an attempt to prevent American midwifery from delivering the same fate again.
It is difficlut because all you write about is Trump personally...he lied, and sjucn as that. If he did, he also did a lot of other things. What about THAT!!!!!!
Did all of you see the news report of how they got Khamanmie and his 41 leaders? It involved our people being in disguise and slipping into the area where they werel and finding out exactly where Khamanmei was standing, outside of the compound .....really good material for a movie.!!!! Killed his ass. I think cause he had said he was going to kill all of us, and he was building weapons to do it. With all which you keep writing, I think you don't know that.
@AverageJoe1 saidHe is lying again and again and again. He wants you to think the war is going better than it is. U.S. Central Command reportedly is prepared for the war against Iran to possibly last through September. Trump told you it would be over in 1 month. Another lie.
No, small minds do not get the rhetoric oa leader like Trump, he is moving so faxt his lips get ahead of him, however, it is logical that for him to do business in this new global world which he has created, whether you like it or not, he would like to have someone on that throne that is friendly. Look at it this way... do you think he's just gonna sit in DC and see who e ...[text shortened]... hanging directions or revising decisions is not the same as 'flip flopping'. You write like sueann
https://100percentfedup.com/pentagon-prepared-war-against-iran-possibly-last-until/
Trump is in trouble.
Just think how high fuel prices will be this summer. He is toast.
@AverageJoe1 saidReligious people are crazy. That is what you are supposed to believe to justify killing the supreme leader. We have religious crazies here ya know. Why else would they be so gullible to think this is the war for the second coming of Christ?
What in the hell are you fellers after here on the Forum? Look at all that stuff you wrote. Tell us what you want here. That is the discussion,,,,,not history and how we got here. We have a bombed out Iran and its military, something to write about. If I were interested in your stuff, I would read Sonhouse.
It is difficlut because all you write about is Trump pe ...[text shortened]... nd he was building weapons to do it. With all which you keep writing, I think you don't know that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric
They want the religious people here to want armageddon. It doesn't get crazier than that. Take a lok in the mirror.
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@Metal-Brain saidWe all know oil will rise for several weeks. You fellers ARE aware it is temporary? Good, that is all I can ask for. No one denies that prices are up. Easy, man. How do you know that Donald didn't do all this so he can control oil to China. WHY? Why, you ask????
Watch the NBC Nightly News from today. The tankers are blocked which is why oil prices are still rising. Just take a look at the gas station. Don't deny what everyone has accepted but you. You are insulting people's intelligence.
How 'bout....Taiwan makes more chips than any country, they are in your wife's toaster, your car, everything. If China simply encircled Taiwan and just sat there, stopping all movement of chips, it would kill us, and on top of that, you would elect Kamala, who could not find Taiwan on a map.
So the genius Trump, who is ahead of the game like Magnus Carlsen, is doing this to hold oil over China's head as a negotiating gambit. He is a negotiating genius!
So, let him run......................
PS: Gas still $2 less that when Biden was 'our president'.
@Metal-Brain saidWe could lose the midterms if he does not get things turned around by then, no question, so he is smart enough to have a plan, I would think.
He is lying again and again and again. He wants you to think the war is going better than it is. U.S. Central Command reportedly is prepared for the war against Iran to possibly last through September. Trump told you it would be over in 1 month. Another lie.
https://100percentfedup.com/pentagon-prepared-war-against-iran-possibly-last-until/
Trump is in trouble.
Just think how high fuel prices will be this summer. He is toast.
We wll just sit and type!!!!! typtyptype.
Yeah, another one of those lies. He says 3 weeks, then 4, I would call that the lie of lies!!!! Why doen't he know exactly????? I sure would, Biden would.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt is not going to end with gas at these prices. But if you insist Trump told you the truth when he said they have no navy then tell me in another week how you told me so.
We all know oil will rise for several weeks. You fellers ARE aware it is temporary? Good, that is all I can ask for. No one denies that prices are up. Easy, man. How do you know that Donald didn't do all this so he can control oil to China. WHY? Why, you ask????
How 'bout....Taiwan makes more chips than any country, they are in your wife's toaster, your car, ev ...[text shortened]... , let him run......................
PS: Gas still $2 less that when Biden was 'our president'.
@AverageJoe1 saidI rounded it off to 1 month. Then they changed it to 2 months and even the BBC World News noticed and reported it. But they are preparing for war until September. How many months difference is that? 5 or 6 months? LOL!
We could lose the midterms if he does not get things turned around by then, no question, so he is smart enough to have a plan, I would think.
We wll just sit and type!!!!! typtyptype.
Yeah, another one of those lies. He says 3 weeks, then 4, I would call that the lie of lies!!!! Why doen't he know exactly????? I sure would, Biden would.
Did you stock up on gas when you could or are you completely unprepared because you had a leap in faith in Trump?
@Metal-Brain saidHis commander said yesterday, more than 30 ships sunk . Sorry you have no elation of pride.
It is not going to end with gas at these prices. But if you insist Trump told you the truth when he said they have no navy then tell me in another week how you told me so.
Gas price will return, had to get rid of Iran,. The xtra dollar, consider it an investment!
If not now, when?
@Metal-Brain saidNo I knew when he bombed that gas would go up. I also know it will go back down. Plus we got the end of a horrible Iran.
I rounded it off to 1 month. Then they changed it to 2 months and even the BBC World News noticed and reported it. But they are preparing for war until September. How many months difference is that? 5 or 6 months? LOL!
Did you stock up on gas when you could or are you completely unprepared because you had a leap in faith in Trump?
I’m just as not upset as y’all are. I did get upset with Biden lies, like NO discuss of biz with Hunter, or Obama’s “you can keep your doctor.” Which was a lie I say! Liars!
@AverageJoe1 saidGet lost. As I explicitly explained in my first post above, I did not evaluate the official views of Iran; instead, I explained what their views actually were. You are repeatedly intentionally changing the context and ascribing to me views that are not mine. It is a deliberate attempt to throw the attention away from my main argument: that the views of Iran have been intentionally presented in a distorted way to the Western people, to justify the war of aggression.
Oh really? I read what you wrote, which was, first, recognizing our 'camps'; as being on the 'other side of ocean'. Was not hard to grasp that.
Secondly evidenced you knowledge of the qweran, (brrrrr), saying that the koryan states that the occupants must be killed. I think I covered 'occupants' so well that it upset you to write this stupid post. Tey ain't occupan ...[text shortened]... them. Do you know that there are eyes on all of us??? Be veeeeeeeerrrrrrry careful. Creepy stuff.
The point is and was that Iran does not want to destroy America and does not want to kill the Americans. The only thing they want is to get rid of the American military presence in the Middle East, which they (and not me) regard as a form of occupation.
@Nanomaster saidAnd me...I was telling you what we want. So, we're cool. I don't care one whit about those nasty people, I hope that does not offfeeennnnnnndd you.
Get lost. As I explicitly explained in my first post above, I did not evaluate the official views of Iran; instead, I explained what their views actually were. You are repeatedly intentionally changing the context and ascribing to me views that are not mine. It is a deliberate attempt to throw the attention away from my main argument: that the views of Iran have been inten ...[text shortened]... erican military presence in the Middle East, which they (and not me) regard as a form of occupation.
Funny, a lot of people seem to have a feeling that they are enriching uranium, and, and, that they say death to America and infidels. YOU are an infidel. So we two and two together. And did you hear about what they have done over the years? Time to squash a pesky bug. They've defaced our flag for the last time. Weird tl be writing a human that defends killers that murdered 20,000 of their own last month, and require their populace to live like animals.
Are you just a little bit glad to see these people dancing in the streets now? Why don't you take a sign to Times Square where Iranian Americans are celebrating, it would say 'Iran is A Great Country',,, or "Iran Should be Left Alone to Do Whatever We Think That They Are Doing". "Iran is None Of Our Business"
You tnink they are harmless.