Originally posted by whodey Agreed. The two party monopoly system has circumvented the "democratic" process. So is that suppose to make me feel any better? Sure you can vote for Joe Blow who is not from one of the two parties, that is, if you want to vote for a loser.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Some of it isn't, but the stories of guards shooting into crowds doesn't really help - there are better ways.
Like I said, it depends on what you mean by "crack down". Putting the leader of the opposition into house arrest is ridiculous and definitely a bad sign.
Originally posted by scherzo No democracy exists. I'm glad you've seen the light.
Iran's about as close as you can get though.
Saying Iran is as close to a democracy as you can get was an astonishingly stupid thing to say. I don't think the women of Iran would agree with you. The people who can't speak their mind freely certainly wouldn't think so either.
Originally posted by Sam The Sham Saying Iran is as close to a democracy as you can get was an astonishingly stupid thing to say. I don't think the women of Iran would agree with you.
I don't think the women of Iran have much to do with it. Women's suffrage is a pretty "new" concept in the scheme of things even in the "most" democratic countries -- it was only established completely in the U.S. in 1920, for instance, and recognized as a human right in 1948 by the U.N. Even the right of black men to vote was recognized in the U.S. before women's right.
Still, I agree, it was an astonishingly stupid thing to say.
Originally posted by Sam The Sham Saying Iran is as close to a democracy as you can get was an astonishingly stupid thing to say. I don't think the women of Iran would agree with you. The people who can't speak their mind freely certainly wouldn't think so either.
Originally posted by scherzo Would you like to be in the middle of the rioting crowd and call that vague?
Would you like to be in the ocean on a boat? Your question is equally as irrelevant.
First of all, not all the demonstrations have been violent from what I understand and it would take a very big deal for me to think shooting into the crowd would be justified - in fact I think it almost never is.
Even if some of the demonstrations have become violent, there is still the underlying issues that caused the demonstrations that would need to be dealt with.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Would you like to be in the ocean on a boat? Your question is equally as irrelevant.
First of all, not all the demonstrations have been violent from what I understand and it would take a very big deal for me to think shooting into the crowd would be justified - in fact I think it almost never is.
Even if some of the demonstrations have become viol ...[text shortened]... is still the underlying issues that caused the demonstrations that would need to be dealt with.
Like, why are they rioting for the results of a democratic election?
Originally posted by whodey All indications are that the elections in Iran were rigged, so what does the US have to say about that? What can they say about that? After all, Obama did not win the popular majority vote in his own party yet won the nomination and McCain won the nomination in the Republican party long before many in the party had a chance to even vote for or against him.
Are there really any democracies out there or is it just all smoke and mirrors?
News flash.. We don't live in a perfect world! Elections get rigged sometimes. Grow up will ya, America is not here to police the entire world. I know you voted for McCain and LOST. Stop acting like a sore loser and let the president do his job....and have a nice day!😏
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