Originally posted by 7ate9Fair enough, my mistake, sorry. i suppose my answer to that would be its worth it if you want to make it worth it. In other words, as with all treatment, it will help you if you let it.
When did I ask for advice or help?
I brought up a topic of is A&D counselling really that good to have a discussion about it.
Originally posted by 7ate9To be honest it wouldn't have helped me. I agree that the idea of depriving yourself of something you want (for the rest of your life) is not a good way to stop. I believe it's better to learn to not want it, to see that it takes away rather than gives. If you don't feed the addiction it will starve to death. You will not miss it. It is your enemy.
Well that's the point of this thread... why would it help me?? I don't see how?
Of course, this only works if you believe it will, and obviously the most important thing is to stop permenantly, otherwise the addiction will live again. This is my experience anyway. I'm really just spouting from a book that i read that changed my life. Another expert. Good luck.
Originally posted by 7ate9People shouldn't make you feel bad about addiction. That won't help you at all. The whole god thing seems pointless unless you are already very religious. It's easy to fight an addiction if thats what you have decided to do. Simply dont take that substance any more. Once you have made the decision, ..i mean really made it.., it is easy.You cannot fail. It makes no difference if the day is difficult or easy, just remind yourself how much harder it would have been if you had been out of it on drugs. I know i sound a bit preachy, but i really hate these people who let addicts think that life will always be affected by addiction. Addiction ends as soon as you want it to.
To be honest, going for counselling is similar to trying to do what has been said throughout this thread, and having to deal with feeling degraded. You talk about an enemy, which makes sense you need to fight. How can you fight, if you're just getting overloaded and placed in some strange land? A&D counselling is just another system built up with every little ...[text shortened]... ppy life. COME ON NOW BROTHER.... jump in the air for joy.
It's a joke, that's what it is.
Originally posted by twiceaknightA lot of people WANT to end addiction, but some of that stuff, like heroin or tobacco, is a physical thing and it becomes like an internal infernal itch that won't go away till the next hit of whatever, so there has to be something going on besides WANTING to end the addiction.
People shouldn't make you feel bad about addiction. That won't help you at all. The whole god thing seems pointless unless you are already very religious. It's easy to fight an addiction if thats what you have decided to do. Simply dont take that substance any more. Once you have made the decision, ..i mean really made it.., it is easy.You cannot fail. ...[text shortened]... ink that life will always be affected by addiction. Addiction ends as soon as you want it to.
Escaping to an isolated place where there is none of what addicts may do it for some but for others therapy may do it and others will never stop the cycle. I think you need to want to stop but cannot ever let up on that process. My buddy leboeuf who plays here used to be an acoholic but finally was able to stop drinking with the help of a good woman. That is a powerful force for good in our society, a person with you who believes in you. He has abstained from alcohol for a couple of decades now because he knows inside he is still has a dependant personality and feels if he ever falls he would fall bad. So he just doesn't drink anymore. He got over the physical addiction long ago but what is left is a psycological component he knows will never leave which he deals with by not drinking, ever. A young person will find it harder to do that because of social pressure to drink or whatever when around peers. Thats the hard part and there is no answer to that but from within. You certainly will have to work at it for the rest of your life. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress, your own evaluation of the situation, will peer pressure keep you free or go down deeper. Good luck OM.
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Originally posted by sonhouseI agree with everything you say, but the physical side of addiction is almost insignificant compared to the psychological. Yes, there is an "itch" but it goes surprisingly quickly (i can't comment on heroin because i never got into that), and you are right that the way to deal with it is to obstain completely. Apart from WANTING the addiction to go away, you also need to BELIEVE you can do it. Once you have decided, it's surprisingly easy. Its when you start to doubt the decision ie. "Maybe just one would be ok" that it becomes a nightmare. Just dont go there and things are easy. I understand what you mean about social life, but actually, you can spend time with the same people, but after a while you notice that all they do is take the drug, and its boring to be there so you find other ways of spending your time.
A lot of people WANT to end addiction, but some of that stuff, like heroin or tobacco, is a physical thing and it becomes like an internal infernal itch that won't go away till the next hit of whatever, so there has to be something going on besides WANTING to end the addiction.
Escaping to an isolated place where there is none of what addicts may do it for evaluation of the situation, will peer pressure keep you free or go down deeper. Good luck OM.
You certaintly dont have to "work at it for the rest of your life"