Originally posted by @no1marauder
Maybe you could explain the difference between a "falsehood" and a "lie" in this context.
I already provided a lengthy analysis which disagrees with several of the initial Navy claims. Perhaps you did not bother to read it since you prefer to instead assume that I took a position I did not (a common occurrence in your posts). You may study it now and ...[text shortened]... cagotribune.com/1989-09-08/news/8901110246_1_vincennes-attack-by-iranian-gunboats-iranian-airbus
Of course, No1Marauder changed the context of what I wrote and criticized about him.
My point (which No1Marauder has NOT conceded, as far as I know) is that the US Navy
KEPT LYING LONG AFTER THE FIRST FEW DAYS following shooting down the Iranian airliner.
I don't recall No1Marauder criticizing *in his own voice* that US Navy lying about what happened.
"SEA OF LIES" by John Barry and Roger Charles
"What's more, NEWSWEEK has learned, the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters
at the time of the shoot-down--in clear violation of international law. The top Pentagon
brass understood from the beginning that if the whole truth about the Vincennes came out,
it would mean months of humiliating headlines. So the U.S. Navy did what all navies do
after terrible blunders at sea: IT TOLD LIES AND HANDED OUT MEDALS.
This is the story of a naval fiasco, of an overeager captain, panicked crewmen, and the
COVER-UP that followed.
But the Pentagon's OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION into the incident, the Fogarty Report,
is a PASTICHE OF OMISSIONS, HALF-TRUTHS, AND OUTRIGHT DECEPTIONS.
It was a cover-up approved at the top, by Adm. William Crowe, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Captain Rogers insisted to "Nightline" last week that he had made the "proper decision."
He opened fire only to protect his ship and crew, he said. But drawing on declassified
documents, video and audiotape from the ships involved in the incident, and well over 100 interviews,
NEWSWEEK has pieced together an account that belies the skipper's stoic defense."
"The vice president claimed that the Vincennes had rushed to defend a merchantman under attack by Iran.
By July 14, the day of Bush's speech, the Pentagon knew the truth but failed to share it
with the vice president. The tapes of the Vincennes's Aegis system, with its combat and
navigational data, reached the United States on July 5 and what they showed was reported
to the Pentagon on July 10. The Vincennes had been in territorial waters. The Iranian
airliner was well within the commercial air corridor and had been ascending, not descending.
There was no beleaguered merchant vessel.
The cover-up was compounded by the official report on the incident ...
The investigation was notable for the questions it failed to ask. The commanders on the
carrier Forrestal were never interviewed; nor was Captain McKenna, the surface-warfare
commander in Bahrain whose order Rogers ignored. McKenna's staff mailed a tape of
his tense exchange with Rogers before the sea battle, but never received a response.
The report released to the public did not include any chart or navigational data to show
the Vincennes's position at the time of the shoot-down."
"The navy might have gotten away with all these deceptions had it not been for the slow
grinding of international law. A lawsuit by the Iranian government has now forced Washington
to admit, grudgingly, that the Vincennes was actually in Iranian waters -although Justice
Department pleadings still claim the cruiser was forced there in self-defense. The admission
is contained in fine print in legal briefs; it has never received public attention until Crowe,
confronted with the evidence, conceded the truth last week on "Nightline." Crowe denies
any cover-up; if mistakes were made, he told NEWSWEEK, they were " below my paygrade."
Rogers continues to insist that his ship was in international waters."
The fact that the USA's determined cover-up eventually failed (though many 'patriotic'
Americans may still prefer to believe it) reflects no moral credit upon the USA, apart from
a few honest Americans who were brave enough to criticize the USA's official cover-up.