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  1. 08 Oct '14 04:45
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Oct '14 13:06
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
    It's human nature to sacrifice the interests of the less powerful to appease the more powerful.
  3. 08 Oct '14 14:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
    The Kurds are the only real ally the US has in that Islamic mess.

    Obama is seeing to it that they disappear.

    The Kurds will be left to die like the Christians in the Sudan. Those that are powerless, weak, and not politically connected will be eliminated.
  4. 08 Oct '14 14:08
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
    The Kurds aren't really in danger. The beheadings are fake.
  5. 08 Oct '14 14:13
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The Kurds aren't really in danger. The beheadings are fake.
    Really?

    What about the Twin Towers? Did they not really fall?

    What about the bombings at the Boston Marathon, where they faked as well?

    What about the dude that lopped off the head of and American in the US recently? Was that a fake?

    What about Mohammad himself that lopped off the heads of hundreds of his adversaries? Was this faked as well?

    What about the beheadings in Saudi Arabia that happen pretty much every day? Are they faked?
  6. 08 Oct '14 14:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    Really?

    What about the Twin Towers? Did they not really fall?

    What about the bombings at the Boston Marathon, where they faked as well?

    What about the dude that lopped off the head of and American in the US recently? Was that a fake?

    What about Mohammad himself that lopped off the heads of hundreds of his adversaries? Was this faked as well?

    What about the beheadings in Saudi Arabia that happen pretty much every day? Are they faked?
    I don't believe any of it was faked. But I was hoping to understand from Metal Brain who seems to believe that beheadings were faked why this danger too isn't faked.
  7. 08 Oct '14 14:44
    The Kurds are not a US ally, so how could the Obama administration "betray" them?
  8. 08 Oct '14 16:56
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    The Kurds are not a US ally, so how could the Obama administration "betray" them?
    Obama helped them to fight the IS in Iraq when it suited his purpose there. Now in Syria they are left out to dry. Shouldn't they feel used?
  9. 08 Oct '14 18:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
    There's a Kurdish saying that the Kurds' only faithful friends are the mountains.
    The governments of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey have many differences,
    yet they are united in opposing any independent Kurdish state.

    Turkey has been fighting hard against its own Kurdish nationalist minority.
    Indeed, Turkey's government has liked to deny the distinctive identity of
    the Kurds, preferring to call them 'mountain Turks'. Turkey evidently
    regards Kurdish nationalism as more dangerous than ISIS to its interests.

    The Shah of Iran used to support a Kurdish nationalist uprising in Iraq.
    After Iraq made territorial concessions to Iran, the Shah abruptly withdrew his
    support and Iraq proceeded to crush--for the moment--Kurdish resistance.
  10. 08 Oct '14 20:56
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    The Kurds are claiming that the USA is essentially letting Kobani fall to the Islamic State by only doing symbolic bombing and nothing more.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/If-Kobani-falls-Turkey-and-the-US-Will-Have-Blood-on-Their-Hands-20141003-0056.html

    Turkey (an ally of the USA) has always seen the Kurds as a threat. Is Obama allowing that threat to be eliminated?
    Obama is all for the Jihadists, which means he is against the Kurds. This is why he allowed US built tanks to fall into their hands and has done nothing to destroy those tanks.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    08 Oct '14 21:30
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Obama is all for the Jihadists, which means he is against the Kurds. This is why he allowed US built tanks to fall into their hands and has done nothing to destroy those tanks.
    I don't think they do have American made tanks. I think journalists are manipulating headlines to make us think so. When I investigate the only tanks ISIS appear to have are Russian T55s.

    They have American made Humvees.
  12. 08 Oct '14 21:41
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I don't think they do have American made tanks. I think journalists are manipulating headlines to make us think so. When I investigate the only tanks ISIS appear to have are Russian T55s.

    They have American made Humvees.
    No matter what tanks they have, we should be able to destroy them easy enough.
  13. 09 Oct '14 00:16
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Obama is all for the Jihadists, which means he is against the Kurds. This is why he allowed US built tanks to fall into their hands and has done nothing to destroy those tanks.
    I am sure they did get weapons from the US indirectly and Saudi Arabia too. Somebody with deep pockets had to have armed them for them to take as much territory as they did. I am willing to consider the possibility that the USA is fine with what IS is doing and helping certain factions of IS more than others.

    The Obama plan might be to let IS advance and then claim they need US ground troops to stop the advance when it is really to occupy and hold it. It does seems ridiculous that the air strikes can't take out most of those tanks.

    It is obvious to me that US ground troops are part of the plan no matter how much Obama denies it.
  14. 09 Oct '14 00:24
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    There's a Kurdish saying that the Kurds' only faithful friends are the mountains.
    The governments of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey have many differences,
    yet they are united in opposing any independent Kurdish state.

    Turkey has been fighting hard against its own Kurdish nationalist minority.
    Indeed, Turkey's government has liked to deny the distincti ...[text shortened]... abruptly withdrew his
    support and Iraq proceeded to crush--for the moment--Kurdish resistance.
    You are right. Everyone in the area is anti Kurd, except when they are looking for an ally against another neighbor. The Kurds therefor don't trust anyone, least of all the US.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    09 Oct '14 01:49
    Originally posted by Eladar
    No matter what tanks they have, we should be able to destroy them easy enough.
    ISIS has a handful of T72s too but still Russian tanks. They do have American artillery though.