Israel's Hunger for Palestinian Land

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Israeli plan is a Jewish state with Jerusalem as the capital city where all the people, including the so-called Palestinians, are living in peace and prosperity. But the so-called Palestinians will not have anything but Jihad.

You are wrong of course, since Israel is a Jewish state by definition and by law. You ignore the racist nature of the apartheid regime under which Palestinians are expected to live and you discount entirely the impact of a programme of ethnic cleansing which has left millions of Palestinian refugees in a state of limbo.

Your constant trolling is tiresome.

Originally posted by finnegan
Okay so you conquer land and then - as the occupying power - become responsible for the welfare of its inhabitants. What responsibility does the state of Israel accept for the Palestinians? Is apartheid an acceptable way to treat a conquered people? Is it okay to drive a skunk truck up the street and pour foul smelling liquid over their homes for example? ...[text shortened]... are being further pushed into a corner by their policies of continuing settlement and expansion?

Are you concerned about the Palestinian inhabitants of old Israel or of those after the '67 war? Are any of the Arab neighbors treating Palestinians any better, or offering land to give them an autonomous state?

Apparently the impetus of Palestinian demands, and the terrorist threats to achieve them come from outside Israel. The so called Zionist territorial expansion since 1967 is all but non existent.

Originally posted by finnegan
You are wrong of course, since Israel is a Jewish state by definition and by law. You ignore the racist nature of the apartheid regime under which Palestinians are expected to live and you discount entirely the impact of a programme of ethnic cleansing which has left millions of Palestinian refugees in a state of limbo.

Your constant trolling is tiresome.

The so called apartheid and ethnic cleansing always is a response to aggression from Palestinians outside of Israel. Palestinians inside Israel, say in Tel Aviv are not rioting and setting bombs.

Originally posted by normbenign
The so called apartheid and ethnic cleansing always is a response to aggression from Palestinians outside of Israel. Palestinians inside Israel, say in Tel Aviv are not rioting and setting bombs.

Your use of the word "always" is the tell tale that we are hearing another ill informed whopper from another ill informed bigot. Given the amount of debate that has taken place in this forum since the most recent Israeli assault on Gaza and its less publicised ongoing intrusions in the West Bank and Jerusalem, it is only possible for you to make such a comment by being utterly impervious to the views of those you do not wish to hear. So why would anyone enter into a fresh round of dishonest exchanges on your terms?

Here is material from a Facebook page this week. You can Google any line that follows and get additional information from various sources - I will save you the trouble and Google a few myself - see below. This low level violence and intimidation against Palestinians is non stop and, importantly, far from being provoked by Palestinian violence, it is deeply provocative.

In the last 48 hours Israel has:

1. Annexed another 1,000 acres of West Bank land
2. Sized $55,000,000 dollars of PA tax revenue
3. Broken the ceasefire by firing at fishermen
4. Broken the ceasefire by not opening the border crossing for goods
5. Destroyed a dairy factory in Hebron
6. Destroyed five houses and a farm belonging to Beoudin near Jerusalem
7. Destroyed a family home in Silwan, making 11 children homeless
8. Shot and critically injured a man in Qalqilya
9. Kidnapped 17 people from Jenin
10. Kidnapped 7 people from Nablus

And that's just the stuff that I know about

In the last 48 hours Israel has:

1. Stormed the al Aqsa mosque compound with a group of far right settlers.
2. Refused 13 members of the European Parliament entry into Gaza.
3. Arrested nine people in night raids.
4. Destroyed a house in Jerusalem where medical supplies en route to Gaza were being stored.
5. Raided and extensively damaged a health centre & a nursery school in Nablus.
6. Destroyed a water well near Hebron.
7. Assisted hundreds of settlers in storming Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus.
8. Tortured a prisoner in Jerusalem's main detention centre to the point of hospitalisation.
9. Broken the ceasefire by not easing the border crossing.
10. Broken the ceasefire by arresting two fishermen at the old fishing limit.
11. And another woman in Egypt and man in Jerusalem succumbed to wounds suffered during the assault in Gaza and died.

Originally posted by normbenign
Are you concerned about the Palestinian inhabitants of old Israel or of those after the '67 war? Are any of the Arab neighbors treating Palestinians any better, or offering land to give them an autonomous state?

Apparently the impetus of Palestinian demands, and the terrorist threats to achieve them come from outside Israel. The so called Zionist territorial expansion since 1967 is all but non existent.

Why would a neigbhbouring state offer land and compensation to millions of displaced Palestinians, altering their own demographic structure, when these Palestinians have been (and are still being) ethnically cleansed from land in Palestine by Israeli colonists from Europe, the USA and elsewhere? Which piece of the vast desert landscape do you have in mind for a new Palestinian homeland? Which bit of " Human Rights" do you not comprehend that you can argue in favour of ethnic cleansing? What lessons do you take from the Holocaust in order to support colonialism, racism, extreme nationalism and militarism?

http://972mag.com/idf-demolishes-hebron-orphanages-dairy-factory/96283/

Israeli army forces arrived to the outskirts of Hebron Tuesday morning and demolished the Al-Rayyan yogurt factory. The factory is owned by the Islamic Charitable Society (ICS) of Hebron and is the primary source of income for the organization, which runs two orphanages, nine schools and provides handicapped and impoverished populations with work and stipends. The organization directly aids 4,000 needy people in the Hebron area. Without the factory it will be have great difficulty continuing its charitable activities.

I visited the Al-Rayyan yogurt factory about two months ago, during Operation “Brother’s Keeper.” As I wrote at the time, ICS staff told me that during the operation soldiers raided their offices and seized computers and files containing information about all those who receive aid from the organization. Soldiers also came to the factory and delivered a demolition order.

The demolition order lists administrative reasons — a lack of building permits. However, in light of the fact that the factory has been operating for years without any interference, inside Hebron, and in light of the timing and claims made by the soldiers who raided the offices, ICS staff and management understood that the raid and demolition order came as revenge following the kidnapping (and murder, we would later discover) of three Israeli youths.

During the tour the organization’s staff told us that, indeed, it did once have some Hamas members. For the past five years, however, the Palestinian Authority has been operating the organization and it long ago switched out the management with its own people who oversee its activities to this day. The staff asked us to tell Israelis that they want peace and independence for both peoples, and they asked to spare the factory and the orphans who are dependent on it.

A request for comment about the — then pending — demolition sent to the army over two months ago remains unanswered.

It should be noted that ICS filed an appeal against the demolition two months ago but I have been unable to understand what came of it. I will update this post if I receive more details.

Let’s assume, just for the sake of argument, that some of ICS’s members are affiliated with Hamas. If all that the organization does is support orphans, the handicapped and poor — whom nobody else is helping — then there can be no justification for shutting it down.

Hamas, let’s remember, is not exclusively comprised of suicide bombers and rocket squads. It is also the largest political party in the Palestinian territories today, which has a political echelon and charitable undertakings that truly only engage in charity. It has full array of civil society activities that are unrelated to any type of terror, and has various factions with varying political approaches. Of all places to target, there is no justification for shutting down an orphanage in Hebron.

All of that remains valid even if there is a valid administrative justification for the demolition, as stated on the military order. Without even getting into the policies of occupation that don’t even allow Palestinians the possibility of getting building or planning permits (while Israel usurps nearly 1,000 acres of land for a new settlement), is there no room to make an exception for a factory upon which thousands of needy people are financially dependent?

Now that the Israeli army bulldozers have left, activists from Hebron are asking whether Israel is ready to assume responsibility for the orphans.

The answer to that final, pathetic question, is for you to guess...

Does anybody understand the concept of provocation?

Israeli settlers have stormed repeatedly Al-Aqsa Mosque compound over the last two days, and on Thursday even climbed the Dome of the Rock Mosque. The settlers were led by the radical Rabbi Yehuda Glick, who is the former head of the Temple Institute. He was accompanied by a journalist on Thursday who carried a camera to document the attack, while settlers reportedly engaged in verbal altercations with angry Muslim worshipers defending the mosque. Witnesses reported that Rabbi Glick returned to storm the Al-Aqsa Mosque twice on Friday, joined by groups of Jewish settlers whom he lectured to about the alleged Temple.

The settlers have now become accustomed to storming the mosque regularly, usually touring around the yards starting from the Mughrabi Gate and then going to Al-Marwani Mosque, Rahma Gate, Al-Asbat Gate and King Faisal Gate until the Alqtanin Gate, exiting from Al-Selselah Gate. However, this is the first incident where the settlers have climbed the Dome of the Rock Mosque.

The General Director of Muslim Endowments and Al-Aqsa Mosque Affairs, Sheikh Azzam Al-Khatib, has condemned the incident and described it as a provocative and dangerous step. Meanwhile, the Islamic-Christian Committee to support Jerusalem and its holy sites issued a press statement affirming that the incident represents "a flagrant violation against places of worship" and pointing out that the Israeli occupation authorities have almost completed their efforts to Judaise Al-Aqsa Mosque and its surroundings and are preparing to announce it as a Jewish synagogue.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/9292-israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-and-climb-dome-of-the-rock

Originally posted by finnegan
You are wrong of course, since Israel is a Jewish state by definition and by law. You ignore the racist nature of the apartheid regime under which Palestinians are expected to live and you discount entirely the impact of a programme of ethnic cleansing which has left millions of Palestinian refugees in a state of limbo.

Your constant trolling is tiresome.

No, I am not wrong. I am right. My trolling is necessary to expose your lying propaganda against Israel and the Jews.

Originally posted by finnegan
Does anybody understand the concept of provocation? [quote]Israeli settlers have stormed repeatedly Al-Aqsa Mosque compound over the last two days, and on Thursday even climbed the Dome of the Rock Mosque. The settlers were led by the radical Rabbi Yehuda Glick, who is the former head of the Temple Institute. He was accompanied by a journalist on Thursday w ...[text shortened]... nitor.com/news/middle-east/9292-israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-and-climb-dome-of-the-rock

I understand the concept of provocation. That is what Hamas does when they shoot rockets into Israel from behind schools, Mosques, hospitals, etc. The concept is to provoke retaliation by Israel that will result in maximum condemnation against Israel from the world communities.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, I am not wrong. I am right. My trolling is necessary to expose your lying propaganda against Israel and the Jews.

You don't need to respond to his lies. There aren't many people actually reading them and those who do are either in agreement or disagreement so he isn't changing a single point of view.

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What I said was quite clear, perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension skills.

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The question should be asked to the Hamas Muslim terrorists, since they are really responsible.