05 May 23
@ponderable saidSome version of a feedback loop might be a good representation of their relationship ponderable.
After the person died a discussion broke loose ina thread unsuited to that discussion.
The ecneter being the question if TV was only a mirror of the society or is an active player in the values.
05 May 23
@kevcvs57 saidI agree.
Some version of a feedback loop might be a good representation of their relationship ponderable.
The quote which fired up the discussion was:
One of his best quotes, and something we can take going forward here:
“Look, television does not and must not create values, it’s merely a picture of all that’s out there — the good, the bad, the ugly,” Springer said, adding: “Believe this: The politicians and companies that seek to control what each of us may watch are a far greater danger to America and our treasured freedom than any of our guests ever were or could be.”
@ponderable saidI would have to say TV is both a mirror and an active player, but it depends on the viewer rather than society as a whole.
After the person died a discussion broke loose ina thread unsuited to that discussion.
The ecneter being the question if TV was only a mirror of the society or is an active player in the values.
Some people form their opinions and take cues from what they see and hear on television. So for them Springers show could very well be an active player in their values, whatever those so called "values" might be.
The lofty statements he would make at the end of a show were a lame attempt at making it appear his show had socially redeeming value, but being critical of behavior he encouraged was imo hypocritical.
05 May 23
@kilroy70 saidCompletely agree on all your points.
I would have to say TV is both a mirror and an active player, but it depends on the viewer rather than society as a whole.
Some people form their opinions and take cues from what they see and hear on television. So for them Springers show could very well be an active player in their values, whatever those so called "values" might be.
The lofty statements he would make at ...[text shortened]... how had socially redeeming value, but being critical of behavior he encouraged was imo hypocritical.
06 May 23
@ponderable saidGreat speech, and on the surface it sounds right (even patriotic). But this was Springer simply trying to deflect criticism of his show by painting politicians and companies as the true culprits of societal decline. He painted himself as being above the fray, and the last thing he wanted was to be seen as an "influencer".
I agree.
The quote which fired up the discussion was:
One of his best quotes, and something we can take going forward here:
“Look, television does not and must not create values, it’s merely a picture of all that’s out there — the good, the bad, the ugly,” Springer said, adding: “Believe this: The politicians and companies that seek to control what each of ...[text shortened]... r danger to America and our treasured freedom than any of our guests ever were or could be.”
06 May 23
@kilroy70 saidSeriously you think people watched the ‘guests’ on the Springer show and thought “yeah that’s who I want to be”
Great speech, and on the surface it sounds right (even patriotic). But this was Springer simply trying to deflect criticism of his show by painting politicians and companies as the true culprits of societal decline. He painted himself as being above the fray, and the last thing he wanted was to be seen as an "influencer".
My criticism of springer was that by constantly selecting the blue collar dysfunctional’s he went a long way to stereotyping a whole class of people, it’s no different to Hollywood and TVs tendency to constantly cast black people as hustlers whores and criminals.
But the more general relationship between the media and society is still a feedback loop.
06 May 23
@kevcvs57 saidNo, that's not what I thought.
Seriously you think people watched the ‘guests’ on the Springer show and thought “yeah that’s who I want to be”
I think the studio audience and most people who regularly watched his show felt superior, and got some kind of perverse pleasure from watching Springers guests making fools of themselves.
And (predictably) the show went from bad to worse when the initial shock value began wearing off.
06 May 23
@kevcvs57 saidOver the years I saw bits and pieces of his show while channel surfing. Never could sit through an entire show from beginning to end.
Seriously you think people watched the ‘guests’ on the Springer show and thought “yeah that’s who I want to be”
My criticism of springer was that by constantly selecting the blue collar dysfunctional’s he went a long way to stereotyping a whole class of people, it’s no different to Hollywood and TVs tendency to constantly cast black people as hustlers whores and criminals.
But the more general relationship between the media and society is still a feedback loop.
Some episodes were so bizarre I wondered if they were staged, or maybe a group of guests were working together and faking the conflicts... something like 2 or 3 tall beautiful women fighting over a little nerdy guy with a squeaky voice.
I would sit through an entire show to see something like that.
@kilroy70 saidCouldn't agree more.
No, that's not what I thought.
I think the studio audience and most people who regularly watched his show felt superior, and got some kind of perverse pleasure from watching Springers guests making fools of themselves.
And (predictably) the show went from bad to worse when the initial shock value began wearing off.
I think the studio audience and most people who regularly watched his show felt superior,
and got some kind of perverse pleasure from watching Springers guests
making fools of themselves.
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Good job, Kilroy
07 May 23
@ponderable saidObviously the conversation piqued your interest Ponderable; what are your thoughts on the comment you’ve quoted?
I agree.
The quote which fired up the discussion was:
One of his best quotes, and something we can take going forward here:
“Look, television does not and must not create values, it’s merely a picture of all that’s out there — the good, the bad, the ugly,” Springer said, adding: “Believe this: The politicians and companies that seek to control what each of ...[text shortened]... r danger to America and our treasured freedom than any of our guests ever were or could be.”
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07 May 23
@ponderable saidWha!?
After the person died a discussion broke loose ina thread unsuited to that discussion.
The ecneter being the question if TV was only a mirror of the society or is an active player in the values.
Wot's an "ecneter"!?