@sonhouse saidWhy didn't Daniel Ellsberg spend several years in prison?
@Metal-Brain
I didn't say there was deaths from the release of those docs, there should be a real investigation to see if anyone died.
Was he so different than Assange? Both revealed war crimes.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1162158609/daniel-ellsberg-obituary-pentagon-papers
When you reveal the crimes of war criminals the criminals are supposed to go to prison, not the people who reveal the crimes.
@Metal-Brain
So tell me why Navalny went to prison? Was it because he was a traitor?
You are so keen to defend your boss Putin you probably think he really was a traitor. THAT is how blind you are to reality.
@sonhouse saidStop changing the subject.
@Metal-Brain
So tell me why Navalny went to prison? Was it because he was a traitor?
You are so keen to defend your boss Putin you probably think he really was a traitor. THAT is how blind you are to reality.
Why didn't Daniel Ellsberg spend several years in prison?
Was he so different than Assange? Both revealed war crimes.
The government charged him for violating the Espionage Act of 1917, a law passed during World War I and often abused to suppress dissent in that era. The sum total of the charges against him threatened a total jail term of 115 years, prompting reporters to ask if he had second thoughts about what he had done.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/16/1162158609/daniel-ellsberg-obituary-pentagon-papers
Assange could have fought the charges here in the USA and he would have won......if he lived that long. Trump and Pompeo wanted him dead. Assange feared for his life. Otherwise he would have accepted extradition and got off like Ellsberg.
@Metal-Brain
Yep, you REALLY don't want to confront the truth of your hero Putin, a murdering thug and you know full well why Navalny was imprisoned and killed.
That is a lot more serious an act than not putting those dudes in jail you mentioned.
@sonhouse saidI think it is likely Putin is a murdering thug. Always have.
@Metal-Brain
Yep, you REALLY don't want to confront the truth of your hero Putin, a murdering thug and you know full well why Navalny was imprisoned and killed.
That is a lot more serious an act than not putting those dudes in jail you mentioned.
There are no white hats on the international level.
Israel kidnapped thousands of Palestinians from the west bank. Used one as a human shield in their efforts to do it. Women and children among them. Thugs everywhere.
@Metal-Brain
Putin has murdered more people than most other attacks of the 21st century.
Bombing train stations filled with civilians just trying to escape the barbarious attacks in Ukraine and don't EVEN go Putin was getting rid of NAZI's.
it is a land grab pure and simple and if he wins in Ukraine he WILL attack more countries.
@sonhouse saidUkraine belonged to the USSR before the USA stole it.
@Metal-Brain
Putin has murdered more people than most other attacks of the 21st century.
Bombing train stations filled with civilians just trying to escape the barbarious attacks in Ukraine and don't EVEN go Putin was getting rid of NAZI's.
it is a land grab pure and simple and if he wins in Ukraine he WILL attack more countries.
What can I say? The USA didn't want to give it back.
It was stolen fair and square? Is that it?
@Metal-Brain
The USA didn't want to 'give it back'. Wow. Funny, I would have sworn Ukraine was an independent country.
Right, Bolsheviks took over in 1922 and they called themselves the USSR.
So taking over in 22 means they belong to Russia? You have to come up with something better than that.
In the 14th century, Poland and Lithuania claimed part of the Ukraine.
And Russia took over by force in the 1800's but that was not voluntary.
Ukraine has been batted around for centuries and now has it's own government if Putin gets his ass kicked out of Ukraine.
@sonhouse said24 years before that the USA stole Cuba and the Philippines from Spain.
@Metal-Brain
The USA didn't want to 'give it back'. Wow. Funny, I would have sworn Ukraine was an independent country.
Right, Bolsheviks took over in 1922 and they called themselves the USSR.
So taking over in 22 means they belong to Russia? You have to come up with something better than that.
In the 14th century, Poland and Lithuania claimed part of the Ukraine.
...[text shortened]... ed around for centuries and now has it's own government if Putin gets his ass kicked out of Ukraine.
Then the USA lost Cuba and tried to invade to get it back. Bay of Pigs invasion.
What is your point?
@Metal-Brain saidthe US also got Puerto Rico
24 years before that the USA stole Cuba and the Philippines from Spain.
Then the USA lost Cuba and tried to invade to get it back. Bay of Pigs invasion.
What is your point?
@Metal-Brain
You can't just put in stupid whataboutisms to talk about Ukraine. They were a sovereign country from 1991 when the Soviet Union whacked itself to death and was that way till the barbarians attacked in 2014.
@sonhouse saidIt was recent so Russia has a claim on Ukraine. The USA has no right to Ukraine.
@Metal-Brain
You can't just put in stupid whataboutisms to talk about Ukraine. They were a sovereign country from 1991 when the Soviet Union whacked itself to death and was that way till the barbarians attacked in 2014.
The USA needs to end the occupation of Syria to lay claim to Ukraine.
The hypocrisy never ends. The USA can invade and occupy Syria but Russia cannot invade and occupy Ukraine even soon after Ukraine was a soviet state. Are you on the Rockefeller's payroll?
@Metal-Brain
Where is is in US policy we claim Ukraine? Over 30 years Ukraine has been independent and that happens all around the world so you figure it should be ok that any country who has blown away from the dictators who used to have several countries under them, one of those countries fights back and wins independence, then a half century later the son of the dictator decides to start a war to take back that country.
Perfectly fine with you and the rest of you ultrarightwingnuts.
Ukraine has its own language, its own culture and such and has a perfect right to exist independently and you are one sick POS to suggest all we are after is to take over Ukraine ourselves.
So why wouldn't it be a great idea if Russia attacked Germany because they took over back in WW2 and such?
Or Poland, attacked by NAZI's and now part of THEIR empire, Poland gets free of them and now with the rise of NAZI's in Europe like the present win of right wingers in France, it should be just fine if they say took over Germany again and then say, WE USED TO OWN POLAND so we are attacking again.
Which is what the Russians are talking about as we speak, ON TV IN FRONT OF MILLIONS OF VIEWERS so it is not like a secret cabal of political planners.
This is the reality of Russia, wanting to rebuild the Soviet empire.
Except now Russia has the GDP less than TEXAS and cannot sustain a full on war unless they start using nukes, and OF COURSE you would counter that with 'well the US is the ones who used them first' so that must make it ok for the Russians to even CONSIDER using nukes to literally kill millions of people in one attack.
A country with its own culture and language is right to want to be independent just like Nepal wants to be out of the clutches of the Chinese, they were independent for CENTURIES with their own culture and language but that was not good enough for the Chinese, they just decided they are now part of the Chinese empire and SCREW their language and culture, we PRONOUNCE they are now part of OUR empire and will abide by OUR rules.
You are one sick SOB for even SUGGESTING the US has the goal of taking over Ukraine as a satellite of the US empire, especially when Europe is sending in billions for military aid and like Sweden donating their jets to Ukraine, you think that is because Sweden wants Ukraine to become part of the SWEDISH empire?
@sonhouse saidUkraine is not independent. The USA overthrew Ukraine by coup and it is now a puppet state of the USA.
@Metal-Brain
Where is is in US policy we claim Ukraine? Over 30 years Ukraine has been independent and that happens all around the world so you figure it should be ok that any country who has blown away from the dictators who used to have several countries under them, one of those countries fights back and wins independence, then a half century later the son of the dictator ...[text shortened]... ets to Ukraine, you think that is because Sweden wants Ukraine to become part of the SWEDISH empire?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/russias-putin-accuses-us-of-orchestrating-2014-coup-in-ukraine
@Metal-Brain
Keep telling the words your boss and mentor Putin tells you,
I guess that also means Ukraine is a puppet of Germany and Sweden and UK and France for daring to give them money for military aid.