Originally posted by StarValleyWyHave you ever read history?
You are the commie want-a-be dictator. Hitler and Stalin are your gods. Not mine. Mine are independent of government. Or leaders.
As for you being anything but a fool... dream on. You ain't got it bud.
In my opinion.
Prove me wrong. Show us where communism and your religion are best suited to reality. Can you?
Like the fact that Hitler destroyed communists, because they were the only group opposed to him in Germany at the time, and all the little capitalists sucked up to him and kept trading with him...even during WW2? That's capitalism. The few making a buck over the gassed remains of anyone but themselves.
Stalin wasn't a communist. Okay, he may have called himself a communist, but Bush calls himself a Christian...
Communists generally don't have gods. I know plenty of communists (and one or two of them do believe in gods) and none of them worship Hitler and Stalin.
On the other hand, many a capitalist does worship Stalin, because he led to the downfall of a communist ideal.
How sweet it must be loving such a cruel and harsh man, just because he indirectly made you so rich!?!
Communism is nothing more or less than the inevetiable conclusion of capitalism. At a time in history people will decide they no longer want to work to make someone else rich. They will want to reap the profits of their labour. When that moment comes, capitalism will end.
It just pissed me off that I have to sit through all the Bullshit (or Bush shit, as the case is at the moment) of capitalism's Borg-like-drive to assimilate anyone and everything to work in sweat shops for them.
Originally posted by shavixmirYou are sick.
Have you ever read history?
Like the fact that Hitler destroyed communists, because they were the only group opposed to him in Germany at the time, and all the little capitalists sucked up to him and kept trading with him...even during WW2? That's capitalism. The few making a buck over the gassed remains of anyone but themselves.
Stalin wasn't a co ...[text shortened]... pitalism's Borg-like-drive to assimilate anyone and everything to work in sweat shops for them.
I have never heard such a clap-trap of logic from one not committed to an institution.
You are sick.
You carry no logic.
You assume that because hitler destroyed (or tried to) commies that he is evil? He was evil in and of himself. Not? He destroyed his own nation for crying out loud! Capitalists, Commies and his own people. His was a cult of death.
Just like EVERY EXAMPLE OF COMMUNISM that exists. Why are you one of these "death cultists"? I really would like to know. What is there in communism that you want to follow? Explain in good english. I will try to understand... though you seem really alien and evil to me at this point.
Stalin wasn't a commie... <grin, gag, grin, giggle> Ok. Was he a ... what? What was he? If not a commie?
A genuinelly missguided and misunderstood soul? snerk!
Appologizing for your religion? You should. Commies are kind of like "geez! Didn't mean to kill you, but you were alive. Can't have that!"
Worship Stalin? No. Hate and loathe the thing. He is your heritage, not mine. You and he are akin in desire and motive. To make the world accept communism.
Communists have the rather silly God of revolution. Killing for the sake of killing. See history. If you dare. Silly god, that.
By "conclusion" I assume you mean "termination"? That is what you are after. The end of greed. The end of freedom. The imposition of justice. The overlay of "right" to all social ills.
Guess what. You guys are not smart enough by a thousand to do that. Just a bunch of killer thugs. Always have been, and always will be. See history. Just plain see history. Name a single case of commies who get power without killing millions. One example. Just one. One please. Name it mr. commie. If you can.
I'll bet you change the subject again. You can't stand the light of day. Just a rat with no clue. In my opinion.
I hope all rats get gassed and forgotten. That is what they want for the rest of us. Sewer gas, that is.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyHow can I change the subject? I don't know what you're blabbering about.
You are sick.
I have never heard such a clap-trap of logic from one not committed to an institution.
You are sick.
You carry no logic.
You assume that because hitler destroyed (or tried to) commies that he is evil? He was evil in and of himself. Not? He destroyed his own nation for crying out loud! Capitalists, Commies and his own people. Hi ...[text shortened]... gassed and forgotten. That is what they want for the rest of us. Sewer gas, that is.
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Originally posted by shavixmirYea. Commies deserve no better than insult. If they refuse history, logic and human fielty then insult them no end.
So, basically, you're just trying to insult me? How clever of you. I'm sure that's really gonna win you a debating prize.
Besides... this isn't a debate. A debate has a premise and two parties. You don't support communism. You just say that you are one. With no support as to why you are one. That isn't a debate.
It is trying to seem intelligent in a world that overpowers you.
You really have no clue, do you?
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI've explained, at least three times on this site now, the difference between communism, state-capitalism, facism and capitalism.
Yea. Commies deserve no better than insult. If they refuse history, logic and human fielty then insult them no end.
Besides... this isn't a debate. A debate has a premise and two parties. You don't support communism. You just say that you are one. With no support as to why you are one. That isn't a debate.
It is trying to seem intelligent in a world that overpowers you.
You really have no clue, do you?
For some reason, I reckon it's your paranoid hatreds and fears, it all fails to register with you.
I think you should read a book on philosophy. In particular study Hegel's dialectic ideology followed by Marx's dialectic materialism.
If you're not into the whole philosophy thing, read: "The ragged trousered philanthripists" by Robert Tressel. It's a novel.
Once you've read it, come back and discuss labour, profit and communism with me.
Until then, don't bother me with your infantile insults, your fake morality and your dubious statements about logic.
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Originally posted by shavixmirI have read all on your list. Lets have a go?
I've explained, at least three times on this site now, the difference between communism, state-capitalism, facism and capitalism.
For some reason, I reckon it's your paranoid hatreds and fears, it all fails to register with you.
...[text shortened]... ults, your fake morality and your dubious statements about logic.
Labor is that commodity that determines cost. Along with the two other values of material and overhead.
Profit is the net result of effort. Minus 'over-production' which equates to 'new money' creation through borrowed debt through banks.
Communism is a "dialectic" or conversation of will. Will it work if we talk about it for a while?
No. It won't. Never has and never will. Because communism assumes that value is determined by the "hours of a mans life" taken to produce a good. In reality, the value is only in what others will pay for it.
Determinism vs. Dynamic chaos.
Communism vs. Capitalism.
You can feel free to make notes. This is the way it really is. All you have to do is see the real world around you.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Speaking of infantile... What makes you think a few thousand "central planners" could duplicate millions of people on the phone each day ordering what people want and need? Just because it makes you feel important?
That is my guess. Typical airhead.
I have no intention of trying to impress a "killer of babies in waiting" such as yourself. Have a nice revolution. Kill and be happy. That seems to be the history of commies.
By the way, I really enjoyed your list of commie governments that came to power without mass killings... lets review the list:
1... Hmmmmm.... maybe you can still help here. What is a single example? Please feel free to contribute here.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyAny estimate of the numbers of weirdos so far? We only seem to be hearing about the ones in public released photos - there must be more in private photographs and many more who were not photographed at all while abusing prisoners. A tip of the iceberg perhaps?
[b]You assume they "had orders". I think they didn't. I think they were a bunch of weird'o Commies raised on "Wrestling" and "MTV". Sado-masichist homo-sexual weirdo's.
And if warders, facing unarmed detainees in secure areas, were doing this, what were combat troops who face incredible stess levels and are operating far from effective oversight up to?
Originally posted by steerpikeProbably just the tip of the iceburg. I would guess that it runs to about ten percent of the military. That seems to be the ratio of those who watch "MTV" and "Wrestling" in the real world. We really do get what we deserve... don't we?
Any estimate of the numbers of weirdos so far? We only seem to be hearing about the ones in public released photos - there must be more in private photographs and many more who were not photographed at all while abusing prisoners. A tip of the iceberg perhaps?
And if warders, facing unarmed detainees in secure areas, were doing this, what were combat troops who face incredible stess levels and are operating far from effective oversight up to?
I really think we should just saw off heads with dull knifes like your buddies do. Don't you think that would be good?
So you are for the head cutters and against the US. Why doesn't that surprise me?