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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Oct '11 20:07 / 1 edit
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
  2. Subscriber WoodPush
    Pusher of wood
    26 Oct '11 20:19 / 1 edit
    I consider myself on the lower boundary of the upper class, but I strongly suspect I'm not in the infamous 1%. I've never entirely been sure what the cutoff of that magical 1% is, in terms of net worth or income or whatever the benchmark is.
  3. 26 Oct '11 20:29
    Originally posted by sh76
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
    Upper middle class. My parents were lower middle class.

    I think in the 1980s there was a poll which indicated that over 90 percent of the population identified as middle class.
  4. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    26 Oct '11 20:36
    Originally posted by sh76
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
    Upper middle class, but you sure couldn't tell by how we live!
  5. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    26 Oct '11 20:43
    Originally posted by sh76
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
    Upper class, quite possibly in that infamous top percentile.
  6. 26 Oct '11 21:19
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Upper class, quite possibly in that infamous top percentile.
    Firmly middle class, myself. Are you one of those people who inherited their money that ATY hates?
  7. 26 Oct '11 21:21
    Originally posted by sh76
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
    Considering my income is pretty much above the median income in the states and we are doing fairly well I would say middle class - possibly approaching the higher of the middle class.

    I think I know what you are getting at and I think it is valid, but I'll let you make it until you get out of line
  8. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    26 Oct '11 21:24
    I'm a middle man.
  9. 26 Oct '11 23:02
    Originally posted by sh76
    If this is too personal, just ignore...

    But how many here do and do not consider themselves part of the "middle class"?

    I'm going to hazard a guess that at least 3/4 of us consider ourselves among the middle class.

    I have a point coming, but let's start with this question.
    Poor, trailer park poor.
  10. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    26 Oct '11 23:08
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Considering my income is pretty much above the median income in the states and we are doing fairly well I would say middle class - possibly approaching the higher of the middle class.

    I think I know what you are getting at and I think it is valid, but I'll let you make it until you get out of line
    Surely he could "get at" any number of different things, considering the state of national political dialogue?
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Oct '11 23:12
    Okay. So most of us consider ourselves basically in the middle class.

    Both political parties are constantly harping on helping the middle class. The right accuses the left of only caring about the poor and not the "middle class" and the left accuses the right of only caring about the rich and not the "middle class."

    So, isn't all of this political rhetoric about preserving and helping the middle class just a lot of self-serving hogwash? We all want to identify with this group but the trend seems to be to always whine that this middle class is getting the short end of the stick.

    When people complain that government or politicians forget or don't care about the middle class, are they really trying to glorify themselves while at the same times using the one remaining politically acceptable whine about maltreatment?

    Is even discussing the maltreatment of the middle class tantamount to the "class warfare" we all (or most) profess to despise?
  12. 26 Oct '11 23:19
    Originally posted by sh76
    Okay. So most of us consider ourselves basically in the middle class.

    Both political parties are constantly harping on helping the middle class. The right accuses the left of only caring about the poor and not the "middle class" and the left accuses the right of only caring about the rich and not the "middle class."

    So, isn't all of this political rhetori ...[text shortened]... the middle class tantamount to the "class warfare" we all (or most) profess to despise?
    The very idea of identifying with a class, and creating political advantage toward one class or another is what the matter of factions in Federalist #11.
  13. 27 Oct '11 03:42
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Surely he could "get at" any number of different things, considering the state of national political dialogue?
    Yes, and so what?
  14. 27 Oct '11 03:44
    Originally posted by sh76

    Is even discussing the maltreatment of the middle class tantamount to the "class warfare" we all (or most) profess to despise?
    I don't think so. I think the fact that the "middle class" is not completely well defined by many doesn't mean that it's class warfare.

    I think the reason politicians bandy it about is that many, if not most, people see themselves as being in it and so pandering to that makes sense.

    If you wanted to talk about what benefits the middle class then I guess you'd have to start at least with at least a general definition.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    27 Oct '11 04:05
    Rising into the lower middle class