Originally posted by Wajomayes, but the manner in which one chooses to live ones life affects everyone else around them.
Not only have you failed to point out where I purportedly said a man is an island, you WILL fail to point out where I said there should be no laws.
There should be laws, there must be laws, laws to protect me from you and you from me, that is the role of government.
You see I'm a great fan of the word "voluntary", it seems to be a word you have difficul ...[text shortened]... y with.
And the context within which you used Donne's quote made it a meaningless saying.
Originally posted by scottishinnzof course. everything affects others. If I smoke pot, I may make the religious freaks around me sad. If I curse, the same thing will happen. Do you want to ban free speech too?
yes, but the manner in which one chooses to live ones life affects everyone else around them.
Imparing yourself and driving or putting yourself in a position of responsibility can have serious negative effects on others, and should be illigal. But imparing yourself (altering your state) should not.
Originally posted by sasquatch672hmm. I don't see that new thread yet. I'll just be quiet on it then. I won't turn this into the poo-fest you want it to be. I will address no further statements on it in this thread.
But what do you really wish the government would just mind its own business over? If you could pick one thing - what would it be? And remember, I already know the answer.
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Originally posted by CoconutCoconut, If drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down, production will go down in the United States, (believe me, I worked with people high on dope, and they are next to worthless). Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addicted, and even though the government will spend less money trying to enforce the current drug laws, More money would be spent on health care programs, and programs that help people who are addicted.
of course. everything affects others. If I smoke pot, I may make the religious freaks around me sad. If I curse, the same thing will happen. Do you want to ban free speech too?
Imparing yourself and driving or putting yourself in a position of responsibility can have serious negative effects on others, and should be illigal. But imparing yourself (altering your state) should not.
And besides, Second-hand smoke has a negative affect on others.
Smoking Pot does more then offend people.
Edit: Actually at one time, I used to think that drugs should be legal too, I even said so on RHP, (If I can find the thread) but then I did a research paper on drugs for my Flight Physiology class, and saw the affect of drugs, and I changed my mind
Originally posted by flyUnityIf drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down
Coconut, If drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down, production will go down in the United States, (believe me, I worked with people high on dope, and they are next to worthless). Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addict ...[text shortened]... Second-hand smoke has a negative affect on others.
Smoking Pot does more then affend people.
almost all people who want to use drugs are using them. They are just doing it at a much more expensive and dangerous way.
production will go down in the United States
Same thing. People who want to show up at work high, will. It is up to companies to set strict workplace policies on being influenced and can those that are irresponsible enough to come to work impaired
Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addicted
The addiction of pot is arguable, and I don't know either way. But what do you think causes drug crime? People getting high and saying "WooHoo I think I'll go steal myself a car!" or people who can't support drug habits and must steal to pay for it? If it were made legal, like tobacco, the price would drop. Few people break into cars and homes to support their addiction to niccotine.
Programs for addicted people should be charities voluntarily funded, not government plans.
Originally posted by flyUnityMore people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable
Coconut, If drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down, production will go down in the United States, (believe me, I worked with people high on dope, and they are next to worthless). Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addict ...[text shortened]... aper on drugs for my Flight Physiology class, and saw the affect of drugs, and I changed my mind
Not something which should be legislated.
which will cause morals and values to go down
See above. It is not the government's job or right to legislate "morals and values".
production will go down in the United States
Maybe; maybe not. Remember how many cops you're going to free up? How much space in the jails? Anyway, it doesn't matter; it's not the government's job to force people to be "more productive".
Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addicted
Then take all those cops and arrest people who are doing these crimes! Anyway, I don't think this is true. Without gang wars over drug turf crime will go down.
More money would be spent on health care programs, and programs that help people who are addicted.
That's probably true. But money would be saved in law enforcement since you don't need as many cops, assuming you don't want them reassigning the cops to all the crimes they aren't catching.
And besides, Second-hand smoke has a negative affect on others.
True. Smoking weed should be restricted identically to how smoking tobacco is.
Originally posted by flyUnityAs much as I loathe agreeing with Coconumbnuts he's right. The losers that abuse drugs are losers by nature and would inevitably be doing something else socailly unacceptable to screw up society and themselves. Morals and ethics are an invention of society and to live within society we must make some concessions and bend to the rules established for the good of society. I would argue that drug addicts would be on the fringes of society regardless of whether or not they had access to drugs.
Coconut, If drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down, production will go down in the United States, (believe me, I worked with people high on dope, and they are next to worthless). Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addict ...[text shortened]... aper on drugs for my Flight Physiology class, and saw the affect of drugs, and I changed my mind
In my opinion drug addicts should be shot full of amphetamines, harnessed to huge hamster wheels which are in turn hooked up to turbines to generate electricity. As a reward they will be given a daily dose of drugs and have the satisfaction of having contributed to society.
Originally posted by flyUnityYou know fly, although we normally disagree, it's amazing where common ground can be found. One rec, sir.
Coconut, If drugs are made legal it WILL impact others. More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable, which will cause morals and values to go down, production will go down in the United States, (believe me, I worked with people high on dope, and they are next to worthless). Crime will gradually rise after more people become more addict ...[text shortened]... aper on drugs for my Flight Physiology class, and saw the affect of drugs, and I changed my mind
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI think smoking weed is probably the tip of the iceberg. There are studies that suggest long term effects, even though it's not conclusive. I'd say more studies are in order, but prudence is probably not a bad thing. In terms of harder drugs, well what of them? Should they be legal too? I don't really care about weed, but I do think some drugs shouldn't be legal at all - they do too much damage to people.
[b]More people will use drugs because it will be socially acceptable
Not something which should be legislated.
which will cause morals and values to go down
See above. It is not the government's job or right to legislate "morals and values".
production will go down in the United States
Maybe; maybe not. Remember how ma ...[text shortened]...
True. Smoking weed should be restricted identically to how smoking tobacco is.[/b]
ATY, I appreciate your "if drugs were legal" we'd have less criminal and that'd free up more police time. Well, the same could be said of rape, or murder. If they were legal there'd be less crime too - is that a path you'd like to follow too?
Originally posted by Hand of Hecateok do you think that prescription drugs should be available to anyone who wants it? Let's say someone wanted to take a prescription diet pill, such as "Phen-Fen" (phentermine and fenfluramine). First, one needs a prescription, and a doctor won't prescribe the drug unless he/she deems it necessary. Secondly, this drug has now been removed from the market due to dangerous side effects. However, heroin, and cocaine, for example, have dangerous side effects too. How can we prohibit drugs because of side effects and then allow people to take cocaine?
As much as I loathe agreeing with Coconumbnuts he's right. The losers that abuse drugs are losers by nature and would inevitably be doing something else socailly unacceptable to screw up society and themselves. Morals and ethics are an invention of society and to live within society we must make some concessions and bend to the rules established for ...[text shortened]... will be given a daily dose of drugs and have the satisfaction of having contributed to society.
Why should I have to go to a doctor and get justification for a medication, whether it be an antibiotic or Tylenol with Codeine, when other people can take heroin whenever they choose? How are we going to justify the need for prescriptions for medications which are much less harmful when people can get crack at any time? Why can't I take a powerful prescription diet pill whenever I want, without a prescription, if people can shoot up on heroin?
I can't see how we can force people to get prescriptions for other medications when they can get "hard drugs" whenever they like. So, in other words, we either have to eliminate the need for prescriptions for all drugs, and allow "banned" drugs, such as Phen-Fen, or we're going to have safer drugs harder to get than the more dangerous drugs.
Do you think if a problem gets out of control the best way is to legalize it? is that the way to solve problems? Besides what makes you think that government will completely stay out of drug use, they still regulate the alcohol and tobacco industry. Drugs will start being taxed, more laws, more regulations.
Did you ever consider that the people who committed the crimes in drug wars etc. were already high on drugs? I don't think they only do it because they were addicted and wanted to satisfy their cravings, but that the drug made them more violent. Legalizing them don't solve the problem, it just means we give up. Its like saying "Hitler isn't that bad, lets surrender and get this problem over with."
Even if we did legalize them we would still have to make more laws, more restrictions, It is estimated that 100,000 children are born addicted to an illegal drug. so we would have to make laws that minors and pregnant women couldn't have any, just like the current alcohol
take a look here
http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/argument/myths.html
Originally posted by Hand of Hecatelol. I'm less than sure. We're all drug users really, some in more and some in less socially acceptable ways. For me, I like a drink. I know that drinking too much makes me act like an idiot in the short term and may kill me in the long term. For this reason I'm cutting back - which also helps my productivity. Whilst someone who smokes weed may also have this freedom, cocaine users don't. For me, that's the big difference.
As much as I loathe agreeing with Coconumbnuts he's right. The losers that abuse drugs are losers by nature and would inevitably be doing something else socailly unacceptable to screw up society and themselves. Morals and ethics are an invention of society and to live within society we must make some concessions and bend to the rules established for ...[text shortened]... will be given a daily dose of drugs and have the satisfaction of having contributed to society.