Originally posted by NargagunaThat is so true.
Yes ,and thereby provide a captive vote for Labour which has encouraged this whole attitude. It is particulary rife in Scotland,as one may well expect since the Scotch only pay about half the amount of Council Tax (like the Welsh) as compared with the average English household.
Then of course Labour also has the benefit of the 'immigrant vote' since allows almost anybody from anywhere to partake of the generous handouts orvided from taxation.
Here in Scotland we are so overwhelmed by socialists that it almost makes me embarassed to be Scottish! Moreover Charles Kennedy is my MP! 😳
Er, the Scotch?
A flat rate of income tax would depend upon the rate and the 'tax free' amount'. I'd support the idea if those figures were ~40% and ~25k respectively, but the kind of numbers that are being discussed would make it a little easier for the poorest whilst letting the rich off a lot more easily. It might 'work' in Eastern Europe, but that doesn't mean it's fair.
I voted for the Lib Dems. I'd like to see the tax system overhauled, with a higher top rate but a higher personal allowance, too. The first ~15k should be yours to keep. I'd like to see the Lib Dems make a serious challenge for parity with the other parties, because it would stir things up a treat. As it is, Labour and the Conservatives are making an art form out of finding ever new shades of grey.
My MP is Mark Oaten. Yay!
Originally posted by princeoforangeSo do we have a source for your stats?
Checked the link and, as I suspected, your stats are almost 3 months out of date.
Do you seriously claim that the 5.1% unemplyment rate - the most recent one on the Government web site - has come down to 4% in 3 months?
Or is that just in your head as well?
Originally posted by NargagunaJust nonsense.
Yes ,and thereby provide a captive vote for Labour which has encouraged this whole attitude. It is particulary rife in Scotland,as one may well expect since the Scotch only pay about half the amount of Council Tax (like the Welsh) as compared with the average English household.
Then of course Labour also has the benefit of the 'immigrant vote' since allows almost anybody from anywhere to partake of the generous handouts orvided from taxation.
There are no such people as the 'Scotch'.
Where do you get the idea that the English pay less Council Tax? Can you back that up? (My council tax is about £190 a month).
Do these 'immigrants' who vote supposedly vote labour not work and pay to fund the benefits system, like 'non-immigrants'?
Originally posted by VillagerWhich is great, but as the election results show, the social democrat wing of the Lib-Dems which advocates precisely those kinds of policies is at a very low ebb, while the Orange Book, anti-tax and spend, pro-privatization of pensions, pro-free market, middle-class-in-tooth-and-claw liberals have their tails in the air...Simon Hughes' vote simply collapsed, and citing personal factors as the reason won't really wash - he was President of the Party, which should count for something.
I voted for the Lib Dems. I'd like to see the tax system overhauled, with a higher top rate but a higher personal allowance, too. The first ~15k should be yours to keep.
I'm not voting for middle-class political parties, and I'm definitely not voting for parties that think social justice is an optional extra you append onto a list of employment flexibility measures.
Originally posted by RagnorakWhat's that got to do with anything?
There was a show on last night about the avoidance schemes used by the super rich. Something Green, who owns half of Oxford Street, used avoidance schemes to avoid paying over £300million in taxes last year.
Ray Parlour saved half a million through Arsenal paying him through a "charity" trust. Other scams were to pay bonuses in gold, whereby some gold ...[text shortened]... screwed because they can't afford a good accountant, so they end up over paying on tax.
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Originally posted by RedmikeThere are no such people as 'Scotch'
There are no such people as the 'Scotch'.
Do these 'immigrants' who vote supposedly vote labour not work and pay to fund the benefits system, like 'non-immigrants'?
well there's me for a start
And yes, immigrants do have a tendancy to vote Labour (one good reason to keep them out) and no, they do not work and fund the benefit system to the same extent as everyone else. I know this, not from statistics, but from first hand experience, overhearing conversations between immigrants on the most effective way to 'bump the social' was a big eye-opener
Originally posted by RedmikeThe Scotch are the inhabitants of Scotland according to the OED which does however mention that those inhabitants prefer to call themselves 'Scottish'.
Just nonsense.
There are no such people as the 'Scotch'.
Where do you get the idea that the English pay less Council Tax? Can you back that up? (My council tax is about £190 a month).
Do these 'immigrants' who vote supposedly vote labour not work and pay to fund the benefits system, like 'non-immigrants'?
I was referring to the amount of goverment grant to the local authorities in Scotland and Wales as compared to those in England.
A high proportion of those living on various forms of government handouts are of 'ethnic' immigrant origin
Originally posted by NargagunaIf this stat is true, then we must look to work out why this is the case. Rather than cast aspertions as to the lazy nature of immigrants which in my experience is a fallacy.
A high proportion of those living on various forms of government handouts are of 'ethnic' immigrant origin
Originally posted by princeoforangeMore unfounded nonsense.
[b]There are no such people as 'Scotch'
well there's me for a start
And yes, immigrants do have a tendancy to vote Labour (one good reason to keep them out) and no, they do not work and fund the benefit system to the same extent as everyone else. I know this, not from statistics, but from first hand experience, overhearing conversations between immigrants on the most effective way to 'bump the social' was a big eye-opener[/b]
Can you back up any of your claims or your random statistics?
Or are you just going to continue to spout shyte based on 'overheard conversations', which are probably just the voices in your head?
Originally posted by Nargaguna" the Scotch only pay about half the amount of Council Tax (like the Welsh) as compared with the average English household. "
The Scotch are the inhabitants of Scotland according to the OED which does however mention that those inhabitants prefer to call themselves 'Scottish'.
I was referring to the amount of goverment grant to the local authorities in Scotland and Wales as compared to those in England.
A high proportion of those living on various forms of government handouts are of 'ethnic' immigrant origin
Can you back this up or not? Scottish councils don't get a grant from the UK government, so even yoyur 2nd attempt is nonsense.
Again, can you back up your claim that 'ethnic immigrants' are disproportionately claiming benefits? Other then a BNP website?
Originally posted by RedmikeHave you visited the BNP website?
" the Scotch only pay about half the amount of Council Tax (like the Welsh) as compared with the average English household. "
Can you back this up or not? Scottish councils don't get a grant from the UK government, so even yoyur 2nd attempt is nonsense.
Again, can you back up your claim that 'ethnic immigrants' are disproportionately claiming benefits? Other then a BNP website?
No, I really heard this several times, mostly in Glasgow as well, maybe you're an immigrant yourself. Why don't you start a post about the BNP? I will post on it.
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Originally posted by princeoforange'You've heard this several times'. That's convincing.
Have you visited the BNP website?
No, I really heard this several times, mostly in Glasgow as well, maybe you're an immigrant yourself. Why don't you start a post about the BNP? I will post on it.
That was sarcasm.
Originally posted by NargagunaI dont believe that ethnic minorities are more likely to be on benefits than the idegenious population. Ethnic minorities are less statistically less likely to claim what they are entitled to from the state.
Well, why do you think that it is the case?
There maybe more ethnic minorities out of work. This is down to a number of factors including institutional racism within some industry sectors. The pervading attitude of the Daily Mail and the politics that you have endorsed in this thread show that ethnic minorities do not have equal opportunity in our society.