@wildgrass said
Defense and justice are apparently important functions of a libertarian government?
Current government funding are markedly skewed already towards these two issues. The USA spent a trillion on "defense" for a single airplane. Probably there's no statistical difference in safety of Americans ovwr the past 30 years if we spent $10 trillion less on defense. But who's knowin ...[text shortened]... rs of the future?
The difference between the current Republic and the libertarian utopia is what?
I was in the Libertarian Party for about 10 years and ran for office locally. So I know something about this.
There are two kinds of libertarians: anarchists and minarchists. Minarchists feel that a small government is necessary, so yes, defense and justice are important functions. Anarchists believe that, one day, all of government will be privatized and taxes eliminated. 'Taxation is Theft!' they like to chant. Justice can be privatized, they are sure. I've had libertarians patiently explain to me how national defense could be funded through private donations.
The inside baseball joke within the party goes "What's the difference between a minarchist and an anarchist? About 6 months." Implication -> anarchy (i.e. no government) is where we SHOULD all be heading. Minarchists are just 'scaredy cats', afraid to let go of the side of the pool and swim into deep water.
This schism has been recognized since the party was founded and in 1974 in Dallas an accord was made that libertarians wouldn't stress about this difference. Anarchists and minarchists would accept the joint goal of REDUCING the size of government, and worry only much later about whether to get rid of the tiny stub of government that would remain after cutting most of it.
I was always a minarchist, and so I put up with the good-natured ribbing you get in the party for being a 'statist' (i.e. someone who believes in states.) There is a VERY strong libertarian current of thought that DOES NOT BELIEVE in borders. Borders are EVIL AND WRONG. Just eliminate all borders between nation states.
There is another group that really hates roads. 'Why do we need government to build roads? Government sucks. If a road is needed, people will just build a toll road!'
And so on.
My break with the party began when I comprehended that the difference between anarchists and minarchists was not "6 months" but basic beliefs about rights and obligations.
- Minarchists believe we are obliged to help protect one another's rights.
- Anarchists just don't. Everyone should behave and protect themselves.
That schism which was papered over in 1974 CAN'T be papered over. It's axiomatic.
So when you say 'libertarian uptopia', there are two VERY different visions of that.
Then came Trump. Again: context. There was a libertarian candidate for President (you've never heard of him; Adam Kokesh) whose single-issue platform was an "orderly dissolution of the federal government." He said if elected, he would do nothing and just let the government die from inactivity. Well, for some libertarians, Trump was "the most libertarian President in history." Because what did he do? Cut taxes. Cut a few environmental regulations. And that was it. He didn't do anything else.
That was more or less the last straw for me. I couldn't see how Trump was a libertarian. He isn't. He's authoritarian. But some libertarians were willing to cheer on a strongman, as long as he burned the government down.
It threw the split in the party into sharp relief. And I left after that.