@AverageJoe1 saidyup, so you aren't really concerned some trump minion monkeys ignored security measures and exposed government secrets, your problem is with a not very nice journalist exposing government incompetence.
Jeffrey Goldberg, if he were an upstanding perosn, and not a snivelling liberal muckraker, should have said at teh otset,,,,,'Oh my goodness, this is serious classified stuff, I should not be involved here, I need to tell them about this, before Yemen gets wind of what I know, from me and papers, and causes deaths of our soldiers. In other words, I need to give all this ...[text shortened]... operation , I said.
Trump and staff will be very successful, Believe me, or believe Salamisi.
he should have been nice and warned the trump monkeys right? just like any chinese, russian, iranian, north korean spy would have done in his stead
dumbass
@Zahlanzi
Hello Everyone. I guess that link was too long to attach. Here is the gist of it, a good start for 4 years of whataboutisms. Y'all don't remember this because our side is not screaming meamies who wear masks and destroy stuff. Note references as a crime, the issue at hand does not.
APRIL 12, 2023
WASHINGTON (TND) — Shockwaves are moving through the U.S. intelligence community after an unexplained leak of highly classified Pentagon documents were found circulating online.
The dozens of briefing pages are said to contain information on the depths of U.S. spying on allies and enemies and reveal key weaknesses in Ukraine's military readiness. The evidence strongly points to a leak, rather than a hack, and the Biden administration is scrambling to assess and manage the fallout.
The sensitive information, which includes an assessment that Ukraine will fall “well short” of retaking territory it lost and allegations Egypt was covertly planning to help Russia by producing and providing them 40,000 rockets, could potentially undermine President Joe Biden’s key goals of strengthening alliances and providing support to Ukraine “as long as it takes.” The materials also include sensitive reports on Canada, China, Israel and South Korea, as well as the Indo-Pacific region and the Middle East.
National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby addressed some of these concerns about relationships with allies and partners while en route to Northern Ireland Tuesday.
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“The Department of Defense acted very swiftly to try to get their arms around whatever national security implications are at risk here with these leaks,” said. “We’re reaching out, as I said yesterday, at very high levels with relevant allies and partners and communicating with them.”
Meanwhile, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Defense are working to determine who took the documents — some of which were marked “top secret” and "for U.S. eyes only" — and posted them, as well as why.
The FBI is going to quickly identify the source or the author of the leaked documents. That is that they're going to go right to the first person who would have created or would have been responsible for authoring those documents. They are then going to follow the footprints — the digital footprints — as to where or when or how those documents were disseminated and to who,” Federal Bureau of Investigation agent and criminal attorney Stuart Kaplan told The National Desk.
According to analysts, the photographs of printed briefing reports have been circulating across platforms like Twitter, Discord, 4chan and Telegram since early March and dozens remain available on Twitter.
The Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation into the leak and the Pentagon’s Office of Intelligence and Security is leading an interagency probe to determine if sources were compromised. Kaplan says this could lead to trouble for the platform, as well as others that have allowed to documents to continue circulating.
Keep in mind, we're the national security arena and so we're not talking about just the typical criminal investigation,” Kaplan said. “The tools and resources that are available to the FBI and much more vast and much broader and much more severe and so Twitter and any social media platform may be the subject of search warrants and subpoenas where they will be compelled by court order to have to turn over that information that ultimately may lead to other bad actors.
But for those who shared the information on social media, Kaplan says it’s unlikely they could be found culpable.
“People that are on social media, if they did not have or should not have had the knowledge to understand potentially what they were looking at, I think that the law would not necessarily be able to hold them accountable or responsible but certainly anybody on a social media platform who had knowledge that was complicit in assisting the dissemination of this information may fall within criminal prosecution.”
Based on the appearance and classification of the documents, officials believe it's likely that the leak was carried out by an American official but with so little known at this time, there are concerns that more documents could be published.
When asked if the situation was contained, Kirby only said, "We don't know. We truly don't know.”
The problem is that when you're dealing with the Pentagon and you're dealing with national security information such as this, there are so many people that are in the loop,” Kaplan said. “There may have been thousands of individuals who would have had potential access to this information.
Chris Meagher, the assistant to the secretary of defense for Public Affairs, says the Department of Defense is “still trying to assess what might be out there,” as well as “the scope of the issue.”
“They're going to process all possible avenues of how those documents got into the hands of individuals who would have been outside the circle or ‘the need-to-know parties,’” Kaplan said. “The FBI is going to utilize and implement all of their investigative assets and tools to narrow down to zero in on potentially who would have had the motive or who would have had reason to leak this information.”
DoD officials are calling this “the most consequential” leak since the 2013 WikiLeaks drop where more than 700,000 documents, videos and diplomatic cables were put online.
"The Department of Defense's highest priority is the defense of our nation and our national security," Meagher said. "The secretary and Department of Defense and the United States government take this apparent unauthorized disclosure as criminal.
I will be glad to accept apologies. How come y'all never mentioned this in '23? You only mention Trump because you have lost so much because of him? Like a future of Nanny State? That would be great, I know, but AvJoe is here to tell you that that cannot possibly happen, because some people work harder than others. Downer, I know.
Uphill battle for y'all to convince American citizens to make jobs that are unnecessary. Trump is terminating unnecessary jobs. Would you hire 4 guys to rake your yard when one man can do the job? I can certainly see how my analogies cause you to fume. I apologize.
The Waltz problem was unfortunate, too, but let us allow the cabinet to get a foothold. Trump is so good that they cannot keep up.
@moonbus saidThere are - but the mature, self-confident male has been absent for awhile from US politics. He hasn't been popular, tbh. Why? 😆
Surely there are more enlightened male role models.
I have a guess. Some won't want to hear this, but I'll go anyway.
I think in Europe you can point to right after WW2 (while in the US it wasn't until after Vietnam) that Female Archetypal thinking (not the sex; the archetype) of nurturing, support for the weak, caring, and universal acceptance of oppressed groups really took over the national conversation. It was a reaction to the excess of the Uber-male fascist thinking that had caused such destruction - totally understandable.
Adopting “Feminine” thinking since let’s say the 60’s has done a lot of good. Racism has been largely eliminated (people are going to start screaming at this point - but it's true; racism is *almost* gone, compared to what is has been). Sexism has largely been eliminated. Women can do anything they want, again, compared to before. Etc.
During this process, I will argue that Mature Male Archetypal thinking has essentially gone dormant in politics. Female Archetypal thinking has taken the baton and run with it - and Mature Males, who are not by nature power hungry, cheered them on “You go girl!” MM's recognize that we have held power for a long time - let someone else have a go.
Where did they go, these “Real Men”? I always look at the example of Mitch Daniels - he got out of politics and became a university president. Others probably went into business. Some ran charities. They used their leadership skills elsewhere.
So what went wrong? Well, I think Female Archetypal thinking became a victim of its own success. [This is akin to what happened to Male Archetypal thinking in the 1930’s - it went too far, morphed into fascism, and blew up the world.] Any successful mode of thinking can be taken too far. For one thing, it became pretty strident and intolerant. How many times have I been told "white men need to shut up" when I've voiced an opinion in some social media post? The Dem Party doesn’t mention straight white men in their literature - proudly. And then come the excesses. I'll give three examples:
1) Trans men in women's sports. Most mature American men probably weren't even aware that it was happening, but when they hear about their instant reaction is "What nonsense."
2) The "Me Too" movement. Yes, there is a point behind it - but also a VERY BAD excess, which is the notion that women don't lie (balderdash.)
3) Boys in School are Too Aggressive. Even my mom, but others like Mike Rowe have long railed against getting rid of shop classes and intramural sports in schools. A lot of boys are BORN with physical energy that they have to apply somehow. They love to jump on each other and pound things. They don't like to sit quietly and listen to someone drone on in a class. When administrators "assess" that active boys have "attention deficit" disorder and aggression and recommend drug treatment? That's excessive.
Long-winded, I know. But bear with me.
The Mature Male archetype has been absent from leadership. We didn’t call out these excesses. We didn’t gravitate into politics. Oh, there were a few old codgers around like Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden and Mitt Romney. But American politics has been INFECTED with posturing, preening and pouting and really, REALLY immature behavior (especially in front of the microphone, but also on MSM) for quite some time. Mature Men - Real Men - aren’t interested in that. So they find something else to do. Dems weren’t making them welcome, and Republicans were getting weird, so they found other things to do.
Then, when the country finally got tired of the excess of Female Archetypal thinking, the country voted Male. BUT - tragically - Immature Male was the only thing around, strutting and preening and bellowing. So they voted for that. That’s why we have Trump et al now. They CLEARLY represent the Immature Masculine - infantile, childish, narcissistic, high-chair tyrants. Mature Men weren’t on the menu.
And now, pointlessly, we have all these sycophants in the Forums - also prime examples of immature Male thinking like @AverageJoe1 and @Mott-the-Hoople - who are not self-aware enough to know that what they have voted into office is Shadow Males, not Real Men. But again, that’s not something they can perceive because they aren’t Real Men themselves.
That’s what I think has happened. 😆
P.S. I don't except people to read this. I'm a self-confident male, I post for myself, not for you! 😆
@Great-Big-Stees saidTrump destroys anyone that gets in his way. He now controls the DOJ, the military, and many judges plus the SCOTUS. Trump will destroy the careers of any GOP members of Congress that defy him. Trump will not stand in the way of militia members killing his opposition and their families. The USA is rapidly morphing into a banana republic. Apparently, Trump is trying to use executive orders to limit access to the voting booth. The SCOTUS judges also feel physically threatened if they do not bow down to Trump. Unfortunately, people worth a few million think they are just like Muskrat. The rude awakening is about to clobber them as well as the rest of us.
Maybe, some of the more reasonable Republicans, in both houses, will come to their senses and see just what their leader is actually like.🤞
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSo the FACT JACK that if that attack had been revealed to the Houthies they could have KILLED our jet pilots.
I heard russia helped Trump too…😂
Besides that, the text revealed details like The girlfriend is inside and the like, putting specific details out like that means Houthies could determine what to do to find out who told us about the girlfriend and the like, so an informant will be killed.
But none of that kind of thing even crosses your so called mind.
@my-king-and-i removed their quoted postIf a citizen votes without an ID, what crime are you saying they have committed? 😆
And if they are simply exercising an absolute right, and you have no evidence of wrongdoing, what gives you the right to harass them? 😆
@moonbus saidI'm not a fan of hillary clinton but she must be laughing after she was criticized for using her private server for government business which meant the things she talked about using her private server was not available for transparency purposes.
The Atlantic reports a major security breach:
quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Top national security officials for President Donald Trump, including his defense secretary, texted war plans for upcoming military strikes in Yemen to a group chat in a secure messaging app that included the editor-in-chief for The Atlantic, the magazine reported in a story posted online Monday. The ...[text shortened]... o typical of Trump's utter incomprehension of how govt. works and why CEOs should not be presidents.
Now these idiots are using a private msging app doing the SAME thing they criticized her for.
Unbelievable hypocrites.
@Zahlanzi saidMaybe 'The Dumb Ages', like 'The Dark Ages'.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QMFX9hKcyek?si=GfeBrqWp4F8CIgOw
This is the team of geniuses and very best people that Trump assembled.
This will be called the dumb years and we will either read about it and laugh or we will tell the legend of the dumb orange baboon that triggered the apocalypse around various camp fires