@wildgrass saidWe can agree to disagree
I disagree. All the junk was predictable, purposeful and calculated.
All I will say is, Reagan got two terms, Trump only the one, and I blame Trump for not being a player
@JJ-Adams
Yup. All these rich limousine liberals asking for help from the federal government???
They shipped the 50 out in 48 hours. They don't want their soil soiled.
Funny, I don't recall the liberals hollering "CRISIS" when 50 dead migrants were found in a truck last June.
‘Horrific Human Tragedy': 50 Migrants Die in Hot Semi-truck Abandoned in Texas
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/dozens-found-dead-san-antonio-texas-truck-tractor-trailer/3001777/
@jj-adams saidA bottom line is an outcome, result. Ron desantis has a horrible record on the increasing rates of illegal immigration to his state so he has chosen the dumb option of owning the libs on Twitter. I guess his supporters like it?
Bottom line is Martha's Vineyard has been self-righteously bragging about being a sanctuary city since Biden took office, then when a handful of migrants arrive, they couldn't wait to get rid of them and cry about how awful it was to have them show up.
On the.dumb front, you're right, the bottom line shows he is winning.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@wildgrass saidNo, the bottom line I was referring to is the hypocrisy of the rich MV people claiming they welcome immigrants then tossing them out as soon as they get a few.
A bottom line is an outcome, result. Ron desantis has a horrible record on the increasing rates of illegal immigration to his state so he has chosen the dumb option of owning the libs on Twitter. I guess his supporters like it?
On the.dumb front, you're right, the bottom line shows he is winning.
@AverageJoe1
Actually it IS kidnapping AND HIGHLY illegal and just another political stunt with those folks as pawns and I hope Desantis gets FRIED.
If it was reversed, you would be SCREAMING kidnapping and you know THAT full well.
Those people were not told the actual destination where they were going, they were told they were going to Boston but that is not where they were sent AND the Mass. government had no idea what was going on.
It really backfired on that idiot desantis because the people in Martha's Vineyard welcomed them with open arms but it is not over, there WILL be investigations into his criminal corruption.
@jj-adams saidIn that case you're not using the term 'bottom line' correctly.
No, the bottom line I was referring to is the hypocrisy of the rich MV people claiming they welcome immigrants then tossing them out as soon as they get a few.
Focus on hypocrisy of the other side instead of your own terrible record on the same issue is classic political theater. Maybe instead of bottom line "gullible' is the word you're looking for.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@wildgrass saidThe way you people play word games to change the subject/move the goalposts/prove somebody wrong on a totally unrelated idea is disgusting.
In that case you're not using the term 'bottom line' correctly.
Focus on hypocrisy of the other side instead of your own terrible record on the same issue is classic political theater. Maybe instead of bottom line "gullible' is the word you're looking for.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@averagejoe1 saidI think annoying and childish fits also.
Tiresome, actually. There is no better descriptive word.
@jj-adams saidThey did welcome them and then the State of Massachusetts provided them with shelter and provisions. Unlike DeSantis and his cronies, they didn't lie to them:
No, the bottom line I was referring to is the hypocrisy of the rich MV people claiming they welcome immigrants then tossing them out as soon as they get a few.
"Residents from the island—where, by the way, the median household income is somewhat higher than the U.S. average but not by anywhere the amount a lot of the recent coverage would have you believe—worked to raise $175,000 for the migrants. They were transported to a military base on Cape Cod last Friday not because the Vineyard residents were racist hypocrites but because there were facilities on the Cape capable of handling the influx that didn’t exist on the island. The migrants were given cell phones and $50 Visa cards.
So let’s compare and contrast. On the one hand, we have a group of governors and operatives who hired a mystery woman to lure people—who were seeking asylum from the harsh political repression they’d endured in their home country as well as a dangerous journey of some 3,000 miles—onto airplanes and buses with phony offers of jobs and a future. On the other, we have a few thousand people who, by all nonideological accounts, helped these poor people out for a few days. Which of these groups behaved admirably? Was it the people with fraudulent offers of charity and kindness—or the people who stepped in to provide it?"
https://newrepublic.com/article/167782/republican-meltdown-marthas-vineyard-migrants
Nice article from the Reverend Cathlin Baker of the First Congregational Church of West Tisbury here: https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2022/09/19/islanders-are-always-ready-help-out-moments-notice
Pertinent part:
"All the helpers from across the Vineyard were ready on a dime. Counselors from Martha’s Vineyard Community Services were there. Volunteers from the Harbor Homes winter shelter showed up. Food equity partners and restaurants jumped in. Translators, Spanish teachers and high school Spanish students appeared. School administrators created systems. Emergency Services teams were mobilized including the Salvation Army, the Red Cross, Dukes County Manager, Dukes County Sheriff, police, fire and clergy (forgive me for forgetting anyone!).
These folks all knew how to do their jobs and jumped into action. We were ready.
We were ready because we are a community that works collaboratively to address the challenges that come our way. We were ready because the crises of housing and food insecurity on this Island have required us to care for one another.
But we were not ready for what we witnessed — the mean-spirited and cynical transporting of human beings. Gov. Ron DeSantis and his team from Florida had invested in private planes and organized this major transport, which included ground transportation once the group arrived on-Island, but somehow they could not call any organization on the Island to let us know the group was coming.
We were not ready for the stories of incredible hardship — harrowing stories of fear and persecution, beatings and injuries, and a grueling journey across multiple countries. Some people had been traveling for two months or more.
We were not ready for our new Venezuelan friends to be so kind and loving. Turns out they were helpers, too. They helped us set up all the cots and air mattresses. They helped lay out meals throughout their stay and cleaned up afterwards. They opened their arms to us as much as we did to them.
When Gov. Charlie Baker announced that he was transferring our new friends, we were not surprised. We knew our small but mighty response and our little St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church shelter could not meet their needs, particularly the labyrinthian immigration requirements. We sent each one off with a smartphone, some gift cards, loads of snacks and a hug.
It may take us awhile to process what just happened here. But let me tell you, this Island community is renewed and ready. Ready to help our new Venezuelan friends get settled. Ready to attend to any other migrant groups that are sent here. Ready to ask our present immigrant neighbors about their stories — their journeys and their needs.
Ready to stand firm in our highest religious values — welcoming the stranger and caring for the needy. Ready to stand in solidarity with other communities who are on the front lines of the migrant crisis or who receive unexpected migrant guests. Ready to be agents of love, compassion and justice in a broken world."
https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2022/09/19/islanders-are-always-ready-help-out-moments-notice
I suppose being a right winger means you must be beyond shame but really the Reverend makes you all seem so petty and hateful including political whores like DeSantis, Abbott and the rest.
@jj-adams saidWhat unrelated idea are you talking about? A bottom line is not a feeling you have about something. Illegal immigrants shipped to Martha's Vineyard is a waste of money political stunt in light of the obvious solutions that Ron DeSantis refuses to implement (namely, punishing businesses who hire undocumented workers).
The way you people play word games to change the subject/move the goalposts/prove somebody wrong on a totally unrelated idea is disgusting.
- Joined
- 23 Feb 22
- Moves
- 1798
@no1marauder saidThey made a big photo-op pretense of welcoming them, then quickly shuffled them off somewhere else.
They did welcome them and then the State of Massachusetts provided them with shelter and provisions. Unlike DeSantis and his cronies, they didn't lie to them:
The way you people fall for the media brainwashing is sickening.
@jj-adams said"Quickly" = 48 hours.
They made a big photo-op pretense of welcoming them, then quickly shuffled them off somewhere else.
The way you people fall for the media brainwashing is sickening.
"Somewhere else" = A facility on Cape Cod, which is 7 miles away from Martha's Vineyard.
You're the one being brainwashed by right wing propaganda.