Originally posted by shavixmirNo one disputes that the ice caps are getting smaller on Mars Shav. It is only a question of why. As for how we know, its a new invention called a telescope. In addition, not to blow your mind or anything but we have a couple of little rovers up there as well.
Uh?
Didn't they just discover water on Mars? How the hell would they already know if it's getting more or less?
That's right-wing press for you. As scientific is Ayn Rand.
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Originally posted by whodeyActually the story is about ONE scientist's theory, which is at odds with mainstream science.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
In the rabidly right winged national geographic magazine, a story was done about polar ice caps shrinking on Mars. In fact, they have been shrinking now along side the earth polar ice caps. The culprit? Thats right, Martian SUV's along side of Al Gore jet setting around the Martian the Earth continues to cool, as it has since the mid 1990's, how nutty is this science?
First Paragraph of the article:
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
The article goes on to quote other scientists who disagree with him. The fact that Mars has a wobbly orbit simply cannot be ignored. The reason the "caps" of the Earth and Mars have frozen material (water and carbon dioxide respectively) - is because those surfaces receive the least amount of sun light. A wobbly orbit would obviously have a dramatic effect on its frozen caps.
At the very least you misrepresented this article to be conclusive, which not even the author pretends it to be.
Originally posted by mrstabbyhttp://climaterealists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=178
Here's a site discussing your psuedo-scientific propaganda from the viewpoint of a scientist
http://www.grist.org/article/mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too/
and in more depth
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/
Any questions?
Re: Grist: A roomful of cynics
Postby nickbat » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:18 pm
Ah, yes, Coby Beck.
"Coby is a software developer specializing in Artificial Intelligence applications..
In addition to blogging and earning a living in software, Coby Beck is an avid photographer. He is currently working on a fine art abstract photography project called "Painting with Water"."
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/about.php
I can't quite get to see how he manages to be invited to do a guest post at Grist?
Oh wait a minute. Now, I can. On his website he recently posted the following character reference for J. Pielke Jr, the renowned scientist.
"Pielke is a **** ****** and ******** ****. (Sorry, I violated my own comment policy) who is simply playing a very different game than the rest of us."
http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2009/03/and_all_shall_know_his_name_mi.php
Have another Grist team point, Coby! And how about a guest post?
IMHO, Beck is a thoroughly unpleasant character. He'll do well at Grist!
Originally posted by zeeblebotSo what is your contention, that the earth is not warming or that we're not the cause?
http://climaterealists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=178
Re: Grist: A roomful of cynics
Postby nickbat » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:18 pm
Ah, yes, Coby Beck.
"Coby is a software developer specializing in Artificial Intelligence applications..
In addition to blogging and earning a living in software, Coby Beck is an avid photographer. He is currently w ...[text shortened]... guest post?
IMHO, Beck is a thoroughly unpleasant character. He'll do well at Grist!
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI never said the article was conclusive. I was just merely stating that they were expressing contrary opinions, which in this day and age is highly politically incorrect and rare. I do think that CO2 emissions play a role but it is a controversial role. What is known is that solar activity also plays a role and is why we are now in a cooling trend. All in all, I would say that the solar activity plays a much greater role.
At the very least you misrepresented this article to be conclusive, which not even the author pretends it to be.[/b]
As for saving the earth, the sun is slowly expanding and one day will engulf the earth. So I say eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die!! Nope, not the libs, they want to make us as miserable as possible before we die.
Originally posted by zeeblebotThat's not a question, it's an ad hominem attack in the form of spam, but thanks for trying (not).
http://climaterealists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=178
Re: Grist: A roomful of cynics
Postby nickbat » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:18 pm
Ah, yes, Coby Beck.
"Coby is a software developer specializing in Artificial Intelligence applications..
In addition to blogging and earning a living in software, Coby Beck is an avid photographer. He is currently w ...[text shortened]... guest post?
IMHO, Beck is a thoroughly unpleasant character. He'll do well at Grist!
Originally posted by whodeyPolitically controversial yes, but hardly scientifically controversial. Most of the sceptics . There are other theories, but in the grand scheme no-one takes them very seriously.
I never said the article was conclusive. I was just merely stating that they were expressing contrary opinions, which in this day and age is highly politically incorrect and rare. I do think that CO2 emissions play a role but it is a controversial role. What is known is that solar activity also plays a role and is why we are now in a cooling trend. I woul ...[text shortened]... orrow we die!! Nope, not the libs, they want to make us as miserable as possible before we die.
By your logic the denialists are intent on destroying the planet. Why would a political group be intent on making everyone miserable? Do you honestly believe that people who have liberal beliefs are intent on making other people miserable?
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Originally posted by whodeyIf by "they" you mean the author of that article or National Geographic you would be wrong. The article was about one specific scientist with a controversial theory.
I never said the article was conclusive. I was just merely stating that they were expressing contrary opinions, which in this day and age is highly politically incorrect and rare. I do think that CO2 emissions play a role but it is a controversial role. What is known is that solar activity also plays a role and is why we are now in a cooling trend. All in ...[text shortened]... orrow we die!! Nope, not the libs, they want to make us as miserable as possible before we die.
A cooling trend? Do you not know that our ice caps have melted to such an extreme degree that the face of our map has literally changed? And I haven't even brought up many other issues like the very existence of polar bears being threatened.
As for you comment about what "Libs want" I guess you have my number. Yep, I want everyone to be miserable, that's my goal. Are you effing serious with this stuff?
Originally posted by mrstabby45 trillion in global warming remedial funding. that's a lot of payola!
Politically controversial yes, but hardly scientifically controversial. Most of the sceptics . There are other theories, but in the grand scheme no-one takes them very seriously.
By your logic the denialists are intent on destroying the planet. Why would a political group be intent on making everyone miserable? Do you honestly believe that people who have liberal beliefs are intent on making other people miserable?
i'd be surprised if the mafia weren't in it up to their necks.