06 Jun 22
Some people made a lot of money. So , what about this kind of money? Getting back to what people make or should make. Some guy invested , say $1M, with Tom Cruise. He slumbered on a cheap beach somewhere without a care in the world, all while his $1M turned into $3M. He made the money in his sleep. I don't know if it was on the backs of others, you'll have to ask Suzianne that.
So, is it enough to just tax him on it, about 50%, or should we drag him to a kangaroo court and tell him he does not need to make that kind of money, he should all an outside entity to decide what to do with the money. This may be a trick question. You have to say he can have it all, after taxes, and buy a yacht, or, say that there should be some proviso controlling this 'windfall, shall we say. Remember, he took a risk. A word you fellers don't hear much, ole AvJoe thinks risk every day!
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@averagejoe1 saidAnd, by the way, big lawsuit from the original 'TOP GUN,'
Some people made a lot of money. So , what about this kind of money? Getting back to what people make or should make. Some guy invested , say $1M, with Tom Cruise. He slumbered on a cheap beach somewhere without a care in the world, all while his $1M turned into $3M. He made the money in his sleep. I don't know if it was on the backs of others, you'll have to a ...[text shortened]... ay. Remember, he took a risk. A word you fellers don't hear much, ole AvJoe thinks risk every day!
about copyright infringement.
Amazing, just for instance ...what risk(s) did you take today?
07 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidThere’s nothing inherently wrong with making a lot of money or gambling.
Some people made a lot of money. So , what about this kind of money? Getting back to what people make or should make. Some guy invested , say $1M, with Tom Cruise. He slumbered on a cheap beach somewhere without a care in the world, all while his $1M turned into $3M. He made the money in his sleep. I don't know if it was on the backs of others, you'll have to a ...[text shortened]... ay. Remember, he took a risk. A word you fellers don't hear much, ole AvJoe thinks risk every day!
What is wrong is if people are working and not earning enough to live on, get a house, a car, etc.
And so long as everyone has enough food, shelter, a satisfying job (and formeach individual that can differ) and enough money for clothes and a holiday… nobody would care about the rich.
But, when you have a mother of 3 working 60+ hours a week and still barely able to get by… that income difference will create friction.
And that friction will push forward change. Be it by voting, taxing, revolution or crumbling society.
So, the guy is rich… and lives in a gated community… has to be wary of forest fires each year… armed guards at his kids’ schools… needs a gun in the house to protect him… is always on edge in case someone wants to rob him…
And a yacht? Slow moving prison… oh the joy of spending weeks at sea… and in case you didn’t realise, when docked at Saint-Tropez, they go to the same bars and restaurants as everyone else… but sleep on a boat instead of in a hotel… and everything else is the same…
Somethings in life just seem good, but when inspected up close, it’s more of a nuisence than anything else.
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07 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidSure, but aren't you interested in knowing
There’s nothing inherently wrong with making a lot of money or gambling.
What is wrong is if people are working and not earning enough to live on, get a house, a car, etc.
And so long as everyone has enough food, shelter, a satisfying job (and formeach individual that can differ) and enough money for clothes and a holiday… nobody would care about the rich.
But, when ...[text shortened]... ngs in life just seem good, but when inspected up close, it’s more of a nuisence than anything else.
what risks Jo, took today?.
Braggin' about it, be interesting to know.
07 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidIf a person makes a lot of money, gets up everyday to succeed, blah blah, what has his existence got to do with the people who do their own thing and do not seem to be making lot of money. I gotta ask, conversely, ....to make things fair, and equal, should the rich guy be restricted to stay in the same 'money scale' as those who are not rich? I never get a solid answer on this. Granted, there is the mother who chose to have more kids than she could afford. Or people who are satisfied at an average income level, do not apply themselves or invest, or take risks. Should we punish those who do??
There’s nothing inherently wrong with making a lot of money or gambling.
What is wrong is if people are working and not earning enough to live on, get a house, a car, etc.
And so long as everyone has enough food, shelter, a satisfying job (and formeach individual that can differ) and enough money for clothes and a holiday… nobody would care about the rich.
But, when ...[text shortened]... ngs in life just seem good, but when inspected up close, it’s more of a nuisence than anything else.
As AvJoe sounds a bit strong with this position, note that I think the government should take care of the 40M. who are truly poor and need real help. but shouldn't people who can take care of themselves take care of themselves?
07 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidSo, someone gets up every morning to enjoy his bank managerial job and has money to invest, makes millions, works 9-5 and lives in his splendid gated community.
If a person makes a lot of money, gets up everyday to succeed, blah blah, what has his existence got to do with the people who do their own thing and do not seem to be making lot of money. I gotta ask, conversely, ....to make things fair, and equal, should the rich guy be restricted to stay in the same 'money scale' as those who are not rich? I never get a solid answe ...[text shortened]... r and need real help. but shouldn't people who can take care of themselves take care of themselves?
And someone gets up early, gets kids ti school, works 10 hours a day, comes home knackered, can’t afford descent healthcare or home repairs…
Succeed? What you have is a crap system.
If that second person only had to work 8 hours, healthcare was superb and that person had enough money to repair the fridge when it broke, then nobody would care about that first person sucking society dry.
You seem to forget that society needs people cleaning the streets, fixing lampposts, teaching kids, taking care of the elderly.
And if those jobs don’t pay enough to survive on, then things are going to change.
07 Jun 22
@shavixmir saidI get your first 3 paragraphs, about choices, risk, luck, silver spoon birth, starting from scratch, some make it, some don't. That, you think capitalism is crap, and that it is just not faaaaiir. That, the society should go Marx. Or, do you have another answer, maybe I missed something? How are you going to equalize capitalism, whip Bezos and Musk into line? Maybe regulate Henry Ford with his assembly line, and tax hell out of Rockefeller who is streamlining our society ? So, I get all that, for sure, but the bigger question that arises from your post....the last paragraph. You are saying that you have street sweepers, the guy who roofs your house, etc. Tell us, how do you propose to get rid of the fact that some people are richer than others, and some people are poorer than others. Who will roof your house while you are on a vacation skiing in St Moritz? You WILL let us take vacations , I hope?
So, someone gets up every morning to enjoy his bank managerial job and has money to invest, makes millions, works 9-5 and lives in his splendid gated community.
And someone gets up early, gets kids ti school, works 10 hours a day, comes home knackered, can’t afford descent healthcare or home repairs…
Succeed? What you have is a crap system.
If that second person onl ...[text shortened]... of the elderly.
And if those jobs don’t pay enough to survive on, then things are going to change.
07 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidListen joe as long as he pays any employees a living wage and pays his fair share for the infrastructure that helped make his wealth then it’s not an issue so why do you keep pretending there is an issue.
If a person makes a lot of money, gets up everyday to succeed, blah blah, what has his existence got to do with the people who do their own thing and do not seem to be making lot of money. I gotta ask, conversely, ....to make things fair, and equal, should the rich guy be restricted to stay in the same 'money scale' as those who are not rich? I never get a solid answe ...[text shortened]... r and need real help. but shouldn't people who can take care of themselves take care of themselves?
Look after your wealth producers if you have any and pay a % back into the system that created the environment that you were able to make your money in and everyone is happy.
If you do not do these basic courtesies we will smash your leaded windows and slash the tyres on your Porsche. Sound fair Joe?
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@averagejoe1 saidTruly successful people rarely brag of their good fortune.
Look again AvJoe said thinks of risk.
Since you've been posting you've been a lawyer,CEO,
HEDGEFUND MANAGER,ETC, ETC.....Seriously, Jo, what fastfood restaurant do you work at?...Oh, risk? Do you ever risk putting one pickle, instead of 2 on a burger?
07 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidHave you comprehended what I wrote, me wonders?
I get your first 3 paragraphs, about choices, risk, luck, silver spoon birth, starting from scratch, some make it, some don't. That, you think capitalism is crap, and that it is just not faaaaiir. That, the society should go Marx. Or, do you have another answer, maybe I missed something? How are you going to equalize capitalism, whip Bezos and Musk into line? Maybe re ...[text shortened]... your house while you are on a vacation skiing in St Moritz? You WILL let us take vacations , I hope?
It’s about people being extremely rich. Society doesn’t benefit from extremely poor people. And having them creates friction. And that friction will change your society.
Look at the US now, compared to the 50’s.
That’s dialectics at work. If a young man grows up in poverty, he will lash out. And eventually it won’t just be his wife taking a beating.
@shavixmir saidI detect Marx here? And Kev above fails to point out that pesky fair share (never has been defined) that rich should pay for all that infrastructure. They already pay about FORTY PERCENT (40) of all federal income taxes. Why don't you two tell us what a fair share is. Also, touch on how long all of their riches would last if applied to the National Debt, or daily cost of running the govenment. I think it was 3.5 days last time I looked. whoopee. Do you think it would be better to give these rich some freedom of movement to create jobs and the computer you are using? And a watermelon imported from Chile! I close with this comment,....People never ask a poor person for a job. You fellers never look beyond your terse comments to see reality. Best let the rich run. Work hard and get there. Make plans, choices. Stop looking over the fence, at the rich whose money would not last very long (as they just quit working).
Have you comprehended what I wrote, me wonders?
It’s about people being extremely rich. Society doesn’t benefit from extremely poor people. And having them creates friction. And that friction will change your society.
Look at the US now, compared to the 50’s.
That’s dialectics at work. If a young man grows up in poverty, he will lash out. And eventually it won’t just be his wife taking a beating.
07 Jun 22
How 'bout our President. D-day was the 6th. At 8;45 PM, he made an announcement, to remember the fallen on D-day. A bit late for the loser, but what is new. I missed it, I had just finished work and was reading the paper. To top it off, it was 3:45AM in France at that moment, which means it was June SEVENTH. How can you weenies, finding nothing wrong with Biden, as a person and a govt official, defend this guy on EVERY front.? Very disingenuous posters, indeed.
07 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidYou seriously have your head up your arse.
I detect Marx here? And Kev above fails to point out that pesky fair share (never has been defined) that rich should pay for all that infrastructure. They already pay about FORTY PERCENT (40) of all federal income taxes. Why don't you two tell us what a fair share is. Also, touch on how long all of their riches would last if applied to the National Debt, or daily cost ...[text shortened]... ooking over the fence, at the rich whose money would not last very long (as they just quit working).