Originally posted by torch71It'll give us another six months supply. At the rate we burn it, that's no small amount. BTW, if we start drilling today, the first drops from the ANWR should be in your gas tanks by Labor Day 2018.
Why would we need Alaska's oil with all the oil we are getting free in Iraq?
Originally posted by WulebgrSurely you jest we will not be drilling ANWR anytime soon.
It'll give us another six months supply. At the rate we burn it, that's no small amount. BTW, if we start drilling today, the first drops from the ANWR should be in your gas tanks by Labor Day 2018.
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Originally posted by kmax87It's confirmed now (ABC News) that Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party during the late 90's.
On a more serious note.
When will the hard sell of Alaska's natural wilderness begin? Just a coincidence that a certain VP happens to be a Governor somewhere?
Motto of the McCain campaign: "Country First"
Motto of the AIP: "Alaska First"
[i]"... the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence [from the US]...."
A Primer for Independence (founder Joe Vogler)
http://www.akip.org/article-statehood-primer.html
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AIP (Alaskan Independence Party) Founder, Joe Vogler:
"... the fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American Government, ..."
The full quote:
You get to think why the hell do I owe them anything and then you get mad; and you say to hell with them; and you renounce allegiance; and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life, to Alaska; that is how I do it; I am an Alaskan; they know it; I've told them to go to hell in every way I can in a nice way; I took a case to the Supreme Court believing in the Supreme Court, but I'd rather be tried in a whorehouse with the madam as the Judge; there is more Justice in a whorehouse than in the Supreme Court; and if they don't like they know where they can go; ..... and if you think I am ever going to forget that, the fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American Government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag; I'll be buried in Dawson and when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones back to Alaska, back to my country."
Originally posted by kmax87Face, you're out of step with the American people who demand cheap oil, that's why you don't understand any of this.
On a more serious note.
When will the hard sell of Alaska's natural wilderness begin? Just a coincidence that a certain VP happens to be a Governor somewhere?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAu contrare mon frere I am very in touch with the reasons why the gop have stacked their ticket the way they have. Its no mystery that dubbya has had his eyes on the wilderness for a long time and his views no doubt represents a sizable number of folk who still reflect that older America of not wanting to have anything to do with anything happening elsewhere in the world, and take the view that no one is going to tell them how much oil they can consume.
Face, you're out of step with the American people who demand cheap oil, that's why you don't understand any of this.
Its the view that says "global warming or not, leave me and my right to consume oil they way I want to, whether that be in a SUV or hummer." "Don't tell me what is environmentally friendly, if I want it and want to drive it, then that's my business"-"End of story"
Whats hard to understand about this mindset?
Originally posted by kmax87The childishness of it?
Whats hard to understand about this mindset?
It is incredibly amusing, at the same time tragic, and certainly hard to
understand how adults can use the: "I am the centre of the
universe"-logic to justify any action.
So childish to assume it will have no real consequences, yet that's what
they seem to think, those oil gulping morons. So while they're polluting
the atmosphere with their digestive problems (and, yes, Suvs), talking
about how Obama is not really black, Palin is really, really humping
awesomely gorgeous and what's the in-word at the moment (terrorist
is sooooo 2001-2007) the world keeps heating itself up. I swear,
mother earth did not spin from the beginning. It's merely been trying to
throw us off for the last few thousands of years.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterDrilling in all of our potential areas & producing would have a modest impact on gas prices at best. Curbing demand can have the same result.
Face, you're out of step with the American people who demand cheap oil, that's why you don't understand any of this.
My opinion is that we should expand some drilling, not ANWR because the problem of transporting it is still too much of an economic encumberance, coupled with the enviornmental impact.
But drilling is not even a band-aid...it is only, perhaps, a tissue to sop up a little blood.
We need to make a REAL effort to curb demand via higher efficiency standards and REAL incentives to auto makers for better technologies.
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Originally posted by MrHandHas anyone watched 'Who killed the electric car?' lately?
Drilling in all of our potential areas & producing would have a modest impact on gas prices at best. Curbing demand can have the same result.
My opinion is that we should expand some drilling, not ANWR because the problem of transporting it is still too much of an economic encumberance, coupled with the enviornmental impact.
But drilling is not even ...[text shortened]... mand via higher efficiency standards and REAL incentives to auto makers for better technologies.
I did the other night and was astounded to find that even though there was a demonstrable demand for the vehicle by the dealerships GM ignored that demand and while it could have been using its corporate might to sexy up the concept, it resorted to a really confused ad strategy. In the same breath it convinced people (who were undertandably reluctant at first) to accept gas guzzling behemoths like Hummer's as must have vehicles and then the Bush administration helped by offering the most tax incentives to those willing to buy these 6000 lb monsters. At the same time CARB's the California air standards body backed away from its insistence that 10% of all new registered vehicles have zero carbon emmisions, and GM who took the precautionary step to never sell the EV1 but only lease them, set about collecting them back, removing them off the roads and then systematically going about crushing them.
And the bait and switch maneouvre was to convince everyone that fuel cells were better and we needed our reliance on OIL longer. The whole batteries are a problem red herring could have been sorted by GM using the technology they bought off an inventor and then promptly shelved.
As the comment was made in the movie, there are approx ten trillion barrels of known OIL reserves and at conservatively 100 dollars per barrel that would amount to a thousand (1000) trillion dollars of ongoing business incentive to keep things going exactly the way that they have been.
Its not a conspiracist rave to recognise the power of this smoking gun. And its not a genius that could surmise that a governor presiding over a wildnerness resource, regardless of the effective difference that resource would address America's OIL addiction would nevertheless use this issue as a wedge to try and leverage traction against the democrats. Palin has resorted to wedge issues before to get into power, do you think she wont try and use a form of isolationist rhetoric on the issue of OIL to try and divide and conquer the donkey?
Originally posted by kmax87Let's see some straight answers, pleeeeeaaaaaaaassssssssssseeeeeee
Its the view that says "global warming or not, leave me and my right to consume oil they way I want to, whether that be in a SUV or hummer." "Don't tell me what is environmentally friendly, if I want it and want to drive it, then that's my business"-"End of story"
What would be the current world temp be if man had never existed?
You claim driving a Hummer warms the planet? by how much? please be specific. Let's be generous and say that there are 100 000 Hummers. So if instead of 100 000 Hummers there were 100 000 Prius' or Pri-i or Ferrari's since you claim they are sooooooo effficient, what would be the difference today in the world temp? Does your answer contain less than a million zeros to the right of a decimal point?
Originally posted by WajomaBy the sum total emissions of the entire supply chain involved in getting Hummers to market, as well as the built environment considerations of having a pro-Hummer population (more roads, more parking spaces, etc). Don't have the precise figures, sorry.
You claim driving a Hummer warms the planet? by how much? please be specific.
You're not the most imaginative boy in the playground, are you?