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Originally posted by kmax87Yes it is about oil, in fact, it is about the nations energy needs in general. So what is Obama going to do to meet those needs other than criticizing others for trying to meet them?
On a more serious note.
When will the hard sell of Alaska's natural wilderness begin? Just a coincidence that a certain VP happens to be a Governor somewhere?
So lets see, we should not drill in Alaska for oil nor should we be in Iraq. Therefore, we will pull out of the oil rich region of Iraq and cross our fingers that it will not blow up in our faces by having those oil rich countries turn against us. Meanwhile, we have done NOTHING to meet our increasing energy needs to make up for our dependence on foreign oil via drilling for oil in Alaska.
Sounds like a plan stan. Count me in!!! 😉
I really should not be so hard on Obama. After all, I am sure those fuel efficient cars he will produce and taxes on oil companies will more than adequately compensate us for our increasing energy needs......NOT!!
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI bet he's more clever than the car designers at Renault, Honda and Daihatsu:
By the sum total emissions of the entire supply chain involved in getting Hummers to market, as well as the built environment considerations of having a pro-Hummer population (more roads, more parking spaces, etc). Don't have the precise figures, sorry.
You're not the most imaginative boy in the playground, are you?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2022935/Environmentally-friendly-cars-are-worse-polluters-than-five-years-ago.html
Originally posted by DjincThat's because you're a liberal and you are wrong on this as you are on most other things. Your elitism and contempt for average Americans is appalling.
Hello.🙂 I must confess that I have a real problem accepting that that there is a significant percentage of the American people that believe drilling in Alaska for oil is a good idea. It is true that my opinion concerning the intelligence of the average American has really taken a beating over the last few years, but it can not be that there are millions of pe ...[text shortened]... and still have jobs, driver's licenses, and, most importantly, voter's registration cards.
Originally posted by zeeblebotAh yes because I cant see it it must be insignificant, therefore it may not even exist. Must have been dubbyas rationalization for why it was not important to find OBL.
here you go. find us the existing pipeline on a satellite map of Alaska.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=4&iwloc=addr
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Originally posted by whodeySo this current oil crises, why exactly are we going through it again?
Yes it is about oil, in fact, it is about the nations energy needs in general.
So lets see, we should not drill in Alaska for oil nor should we be in Iraq.
Did we listen to two American presidents, from both sides of the political divide no less, on the importance of distancing ourselves from excessive oil consumption?
Given that you don't like history lessons what about the state of Iraq now anyway? Why the big problem? Has a heavy handed belligerent attitude actually solved anything?
Other than talking about alternatives when did dubbya ever walk the talk on the issue? No he ducked the issue and instead of using climate change and global warming to America's advantage and embrace the future of recyclable energy and put America at the forefront of that technological revolution, instead he has allowed his closeness to the oil industry to cloud his judgment on the issue of energy.
Should America allow a similar smooth talking oil evangelist in the shape of SP, who by all accounts is an avowed skeptic of human activity affecting our environment, should Americans trust her talk on an independent Energy future when her walk is leading her fellow citizens down the path of four more years of increasing foreign energy dependence?
Originally posted by kmax87No-one owes you an electric car, damned if your not trying to run everyone else's life for them you want to be running GM's business.
Has anyone watched 'Who killed the electric car?' lately?
I did the other night and was astounded to find that even though there was a demonstrable demand for the vehicle by the dealerships GM ignored that demand and while it could have been using its corporate might to sexy up the concept, it resorted to a really confused ad strategy. In the same breath i ...[text shortened]... form of isolationist rhetoric on the issue of OIL to try and divide and conquer the donkey?
Here's what you do, get together with all the other GW alarmists, put the money where the mouth is, develop your own electric car.
Originally posted by WajomaWhats wrong with the perfectly good ones GM made? What about the battery technology they bought up and shelved? You are so blind that when your company's become so powerful that they can actually use their power to suppress knowledge and products in the consumers best long term interests, you want to form a conga line and cheer them on?
No-one owes you an electric car, damned if your not trying to run everyone else's life for them you want to be running GM's business.
Here's what you do, get together with all the other GW alarmists, put the money where the mouth is, develop your own electric car.
It really would have been brilliant if the American government was big and powerful and was not subject to the whims and the favors of powerful lobbies and interest groups. But the biggest neo con is convince all the good freedom loving citizens that big government is bad (because you couldn't trust yourself now could you)that you want as little of it as possible. We know who sponsors that form of socio terrorism. And you are one of their unpaid fanboyz
Wajoma was brought to you by GM, GE and News Ltd.
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI don't normally go back and forth with someone that reasons so poorly, but, I will go ahead and say this, and then you can do with it whatever you will, and I'll be more than happy to allow you free rein to talk as crazy as you choose.
That's because you're a liberal and you are wrong on this as you are on most other things. Your elitism and contempt for average Americans is appalling.
Let's look at that a little more closely. I only made three assertions,
1) the U.S. uses about 25 % of the world's oil.
2) the U.S. has about 3 % of the world's oil reserves, and
3) There seems to be a lot of idiots running around out there.
You say that I'm wrong about this and most other things. Which of those three points do you disagree with? Since you both disagree with this and are in the uncomfortable position of being unable to refute it, you seem to have chosen the tried and true path of attacking the messenger with the standard buzz-words of 'Liberal' and 'Elitist' , which in no way address the topic at hand. Since you just throw them out there as a knee-jerk reaction, it really should come as no surprise to discover that you are mistaken on both counts. I am an extremely conservative person in my life-style and being able to count my fingers and come up with the same answer twice in a row does not make me an elitist.
Drilling on protected lands in Alaska will not effect the price of gas at the pump for a decade, and then only by a couple of pennies on the gallon. John McCain himself has publicly conceeded this. More drilling will not make the numbers work any better. If you believe that it will, then you are either unaware of the simple reality that we are using more than 8 times as much as we have, or, you are an idiot. And yet, all polls seem to indicate that more than half of the people in America believe that opening up protected lands in Alaska for drilling will bring down the price of gas. That brings us to the inescapable conclussion that there are a lot of idiots walking around in America. That isn't 'Elitism', that's merely an acknowledgement of the obvious.
Originally posted by DjincYes but -please mr dj put a record on, I want to dance with my baby- what you may not be willing to consider, and this may be only because you do not have a jaundiced view of your fellow citizens, that maybe just maybe, having the ability to twice come up with the same answer counted on your fingers, may put you towards the upper reaches of normal. In a word, an elite.
I am an extremely conservative person in my life-style and being able to count my fingers and come up with the same answer twice in a row does not make me an elitist.
Its not that others lack simple numeracy skills or have difficulty with hand eye coordination, its just that they have appalling short term memory loss exacerbated by their submersion into that most comforting and simplistic of all environments, the vitriolic chatter of the 24/7, neo con talk back world.
Once immersed in this world for too long sufferers of the necon syndrome have difficulty with simple tasks associated with the comprehension of certain tabled facts. Yes 1 plus 1 equals 2, except when of course 1 is consumption and the other 1 is resources, and the equation then equals whatever the snake oil er I mean the nice necon salesperson said.
So while I sympathize that you would think that simple accounting methods would be within the reach of most people, you are forgetting that these days most people aint what it used to be.
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Originally posted by kmax87Actually, that's mrs. dj, not mr.🙂 Being counted as one of the elite does not make me an 'Elitist'.😀
Yes but -please mr dj put a record on, I want to dance with my baby- what you may not be willing to consider, and this may be only because you do not have a jaundiced view of your fellow citizens, that maybe just maybe, having the ability to twice come up with the same answer counted on your fingers, may put you towards the upper reaches of normal. In a word ...[text shortened]... he reach of most people, you are forgetting that these days most people aint what it used to be.
2) the U.S. has about 3 % of the world's oil reserves, and
That's a bit misleading. They don't count the shale oil in those numbers, but oil companies have learned to process the shale underground and pump it out in liquid form. The last numbers I saw on Shell's process was that it costs about $30 per barrel to process and pump the shale oil out of the ground.
The US has a huge amount of shale in the Colorado/Utah/Wyoming area. There's more oil in that region than all the OPEC reserves combined.
Originally posted by EladarHow much of your water supply are you willing to sacrifice once shale oil production goes into high gear. How much more increased pollution outcomes are you ready to absorb?
[b]2) the U.S. has about 3 % of the world's oil reserves, and
That's a bit misleading. They don't count the shale oil in those numbers, but oil companies have learned to process the shale underground and pump it out in liquid form. The last numbers I saw on Shell's process was that it costs about $30 per barrel to process and pump the shale oil out ...[text shortened]... do/Utah/Wyoming area. There's more oil in that region than all the OPEC reserves combined.[/b]