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    05 May '18 23:18
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/05/lou-dobbs-and-andrew-mccarthy-discuss-the-special-counsel-mueller-counterintelligence-investigation/#more-148877
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    06 May '18 01:06
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/05/lou-dobbs-and-andrew-mccarthy-discuss-the-special-counsel-mueller-counterintelligence-investigation/#more-148877
    Rosenstein to Mueller August 2, 2017:

    The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment:

    Allegations that Paul Manafort

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    Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4429989-Rod-Rosenstein-memo-outlining-scope-of-Mueller.html

    Manafort's Russian ties predate even those contacts:

    Eventually, Manafort was hired by former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, a controversial pro-Russia politician who was ousted from power twice. After Yanukovych was elected president in 2010, Manafort reportedly stayed on as an adviser and worked on other projects in Eastern Europe, including the Party of Regions political party.

    Manafort also worked for Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. In 2005, Manafort allegedly came up with a plan to influence U.S. politics, business dealings and the media in order to “greatly benefit the Putin government,” according to The Associated Press.

    Deripaska is a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and signed a $10 million annual contract with Manafort in 2006; they maintained a business relationship until at least 2009.

    Financial records obtained by The New York Times indicated that Manafort was in debt to pro-Russian interests by up to $17 million prior to joining Trump’s campaign.

    He also took more than a dozen trips to Moscow and frequently talked to Putin allies over a period of about 10 years, McClatchy reported. He traveled to Kiev at least 19 times in 20 months after the February 2014 removal of Ukraine’s pro-Russia leader.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/04/how-paul-manafort-is-connected-to-trump-russia-investigation.html

    The discovery of Manafort's alleged crimes in the indictment flowed naturally from an investigation into his Russian contacts and was well within the scope of the Special Counsel's authority. The Judge in Virginia grandstanded a bit this week, but it will be a surprise if he dismisses those charges under such a legally dubious theory as that the charges were outside the scope of the investigation. I have little doubt that in the unlikely event he does, the charges would be reinstated on appeal.
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    WITCH HUNT!
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    06 May '18 14:17
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Rosenstein to Mueller August 2, 2017:

    The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment:

    Allegations that Paul Manafort

    .............................

    Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Vikto ...[text shortened]... have little doubt that in the unlikely event he does, the charges would be reinstated on appeal.
    So the sitting judge doesn't know as much as marerider? LMFAO!
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    06 May '18 15:26
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    So the sitting judge doesn't know as much as marerider? LMFAO!
    Here's a novel idea Mott: Why don't you just let the justice system work. It usually does.
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    06 May '18 15:29
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Here's a novel idea Mott: Why don't you just let the justice system work. It usually does.
    If it did, Donald Trump wouldn't have become president of your country.
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    06 May '18 16:12
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Here's a novel idea Mott: Why don't you just let the justice system work. It usually does.
    what makes you think it isn't working?
  8. Subscriberno1marauder
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    06 May '18 16:27
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    So the sitting judge doesn't know as much as marerider? LMFAO!
    I'm impressed that a right winger now believes in the infallibility of federal judges.

    Check back after the Judge rules on Manafort's motion to dismiss based on the proper scope of the Mueller investigation.
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    07 May '18 15:27
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    WITCH HUNT!
    Witch hunt are you talking about?
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    07 May '18 23:06
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    I'm impressed that a right winger now believes in the infallibility of federal judges.

    Check back after the Judge rules on Manafort's motion to dismiss based on the proper scope of the Mueller investigation.
    infallibility has nothing to do with it...I think you refer to unconstitutional acts.
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    15 May '18 22:07
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    So the sitting judge doesn't know as much as marerider? LMFAO!
    Judge Ellis hasn't ruled yet, but a "sitting judge" in DC happens to agree with me and denied Manafort's motion to dismiss based on claims that Mueller overstepped his authority:

    By JOSH GERSTEIN 05/15/2018 05:09 PM EDT Updated 05/15/2018 05:50 PM EDT
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    A federal judge on Tuesday rejected an attempt by Paul Manafort, a former Trump campaign chairman, to get an indictment against him dismissed by claiming that special counsel Robert Mueller’s appointment was flawed.

    In a blow to Manafort’s defense, U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that Mueller’s prosecution of the longtime political consultant on charges of money laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent for a Ukrainian political party was “squarely” within the authority that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein granted to Mueller last May.


    “The indictment falls squarely within that portion of the authority granted to the Special Counsel that Manafort finds unobjectionable: the order to investigate ‘any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign,’” Jackson wrote.

    “Manafort was, at one time, not merely ‘associated with,’ but the chairman of, the Presidential campaign, and his work on behalf of the Russia-backed Ukrainian political party and connections to other Russian figures are matters of public record,” the judge added. “It was logical and appropriate for investigators tasked with the investigation of ‘any links’ between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign to direct their attention to him.”

    Manafort’s lawyers argued that a portion of Rosenstein’s order that gave Mueller the authority to pursue “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation” gave the special counsel more authority than permitted under Justice Department regulations for such prosecutors.

    Jackson, however, said Manafort’s arguments were not persuasive for several reasons. First, she said, the subjects that Manafort was indicted for in federal court in Washington were part of Mueller’s basic focus, not some expansion of it. Second, she said, outsiders don’t have the authority to enforce the special counsel regulations, because they’re internal Justice Department policies. And third, she found that Rosenstein has validated the indictment through continuing consultation with and supervision of Mueller.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/15/manafort-mueller-indictment-590215
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    15 May '18 22:21
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Judge Ellis hasn't ruled yet, but a "sitting judge" in DC happens to agree with me and denied Manafort's motion to dismiss based on claims that Mueller overstepped his authority:

    By JOSH GERSTEIN 05/15/2018 05:09 PM EDT Updated 05/15/2018 05:50 PM EDT
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    A federal judge on Tuesday rejected an attempt by Paul Manafort ...[text shortened]... sion of Mueller.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/15/manafort-mueller-indictment-590215
    Politico is misleading you again.


    "For her part, Jackson has issued no official judgment regarding the issue of Mueller’s authority."

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/19/judge-questions-robert-muellers-authority-to-go-after-manafort/
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    15 May '18 22:591 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Politico is misleading you again.


    "For her part, Jackson has issued no official judgment regarding the issue of Mueller’s authority."

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/19/judge-questions-robert-muellers-authority-to-go-after-manafort/
    That article is from last month, moron.

    Judge Jackson's Opinion and Order was filed today. You can read it here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000163-6599-d92c-a17f-eddde22f0001
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    15 May '18 23:28
    Something that is also worth noting: the guy who blew the whistle on Manafort (or whatever you call it) was actually a Ukrainian official:

    A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    Wherever we look, there are people cooperating with agents and persons of all types in these investigations.

    It is rather interesting that it has been pointed out that Manafort was involved with a pro-Putin officer.

    What fun times we live in.
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    16 May '18 18:50
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    That article is from last month, moron.

    Judge Jackson's Opinion and Order was filed today. You can read it here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000163-6599-d92c-a17f-eddde22f0001
    LOL...you actually think
    I read your posts?
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