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Before we decide to further "beef up our military" please consider just a few reasons to stop blindly throwing money at every national security problem we face.

The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by the Navy as unsuitable for current needs.

Then there is the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. This program that became a black hole of technical problems, delays, technology that was obsolete before being deployed, and above all, money. It's been estimated that the F-35 has cost a staggering $1.5 trillion since its inception in 1996. Meanwhile, the plane is plagued by issues, including having trouble landing on aircraft carriers, issues winning dogfights, reliability problems and, ironically, vulnerability to lightning strikes.

In addition, price gouging, inflated executive pay-packages, and stock buybacks by fat cat defense contractors have been fleecing the taxpayers, while at the same time using scare tactics of perceived national security threats.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-waste-idUSKBN13V08B

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/coronavirus-military-spending/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-navy-decided-4-5-billion-worth-of-ships-suck-and-they-need-new-ones/ar-AAW16Hw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=05a2582aebbd4026ae5f3fe9d4c7c7ef


@mchill said
Before we decide to further "beef up our military" please consider just a few reasons to stop blindly throwing money at every national security problem we face.

The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by th ...[text shortened]... -of-ships-suck-and-they-need-new-ones/ar-AAW16Hw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=05a2582aebbd4026ae5f3fe9d4c7c7ef
the people of Ukraine think your idea is stupid


@mchill

"The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by the Navy as unsuitable for current needs."
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When the Navy had those 9 ships built, it was to chase pirate ships. They needed a new ship to do that?
The Navy needs to shut up and learn to live with what they request, when given.


@mott-the-hoople said
the people of Ukraine think your idea is stupid
The people of Ukraine ain't paying for them.

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@earl-of-trumps said
@mchill

"The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by the Navy as unsuitable for current needs."
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When the Navy had those 9 ships built, it was to chase p ...[text shortened]... ew ship to do that?
The Navy needs to shut up and learn to live with what they request, when given.
When ships are de-commissioned, doesn't
mean that they'll soon be scrap metal.
Most usually, these ships are 'weatherized'
and put into our 'moth ball' fleet, where they
can quickly be recalled should the need arise.
Interestingly, our last battleship, U.S.S. Missouri, 'Big MO,'
with 16 inch guns that could lob a volkswagen sized shell, 25 miles, and land it in a tennis court,
was mothballed and re-activated several times..


@jimm619 said
The people of Ukraine ain't paying for them.
but wish they could


@earl-of-trumps said
@mchill

"The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by the Navy as unsuitable for current needs."
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When the Navy had those 9 ships built, it was to chase p ...[text shortened]... ew ship to do that?
The Navy needs to shut up and learn to live with what they request, when given.
No, the LCS was intended to be a very fast shallow water ship which could also go in deep water (self-deploy) with a wide range of capabilities. That program has already been severely crippled because the weapons packages for the ship were cancelled.

Similarly the Zumwalt class destroyer was designed to use special ammunition which was later cancelled, crippling that project.

The Navy also wants to decommission some of our cruisers and submarines.


@mott-the-hoople said
but wish they could
We're (NATO) supplying plenty.

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@jimm619 said
When ships are de-commissioned, doesn't
mean that they'll soon be scrap metal.
Most usually, these ships are 'weatherized'
and put into our 'moth ball' fleet, where they
can quickly be recalled should the need arise.
Interestingly, our last battleship, U.S.S. Missouri, 'Big MO,'
with 16 inch guns that could lob a volkswagen sized shell, 25 miles, and land it in a tennis court,
was mothballed and re-activated several times..
Some sit at dock in several American cities, like I know the USS Lexington is docked at Corpus Christi, TX as a Naval Museum.


@mchill said
Before we decide to further "beef up our military" please consider just a few reasons to stop blindly throwing money at every national security problem we face.

The Navy wants to decommission 9 ships, none of them over 10 years old, that cost 4.5 billion of our tax dollars. The 9 ships in question, part of a total group of 24 ships to be decommissioned, are described by th ...[text shortened]... -of-ships-suck-and-they-need-new-ones/ar-AAW16Hw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=05a2582aebbd4026ae5f3fe9d4c7c7ef
Yeah, I saw all that, McHill. But have you seen what libs want to do? With money? You should google it. Get back to us.


@suzianne said
Some sit at dock in several American cities, like I know the USS Lexington is docked at Corpus Christi, TX as a Naval Museum.
The New Jersey has a whole youtube series talking about it:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BattleshipNewJersey


@athousandyoung said
The New Jersey has a whole youtube series talking about it:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BattleshipNewJersey
They were called 'IOWA Class battle wagons.....right?
We got 'The Midway,' here.


@jimm619 said
They were called 'IOWA Class battle wagons.....right?
We got 'The Midway,' here.
You down in Sandy Eggo?

Yeah the Iowa class. The best battleships ever because they were the last.

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@athousandyoung said
You down in Sandy Eggo?

Yeah the Iowa class. The best battleships ever because they were the last.
Yup.....paradise......You?
It was said that 'Big Mo,' was kept around
for so long because of a special affection that
Truman had for the battle wagon named after his home state.

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@jimm619 said
Yup.....paradise......You?
Inner city LA, it sux