Misuse of religion

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
There are lots of Republicans who opposed the bailout package(s). Does that mean George W. Bush is not a politician?

Don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by generalissimo
Why not?

He was wrong about condoms, but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything else.

He is not of this world. He doesn't know how things work. Let him talk when he knows what he's talking about.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The political agenda of the Catholic Church includes but is not limited to:

- Lobbying against condom use.
- Lobbying against gay marriage.
etc.

... Lobbying against abortion rights.
- Lobbying against nuclear armaments.
- Protecting the catholic Church against policies that would be disadvantageous vis vis the massive amounts of property they own.
- Working against the use of biblical teaching to promote agendas considered wrong by the Catholic Church or disdvantageous to the Catholic Church.
- Lobbying on stem-cell research.

If generalissimo thinks the Catholic Church doesn't have a clear political agenda and doesn't operate in the political domain, then he does not understand what politics is.

Originally posted by generalissimo
Don't be ridiculous.

I was just applying your argument. It is indeed ridiculous, but only because the original argument was.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
He is not of this world. He doesn't know how things work. Let him talk when he knows what he's talking about.

He is not of this world.

what a load of BS, do you think he's a martian?

Originally posted by FMF
... Lobbying against abortion rights.
- Lobbying against nuclear armaments.
- Protecting the catholic Church against policies that would be disadvantageous vis vis the massive amounts of property they own.
- Working against the use of biblical teaching to promote agendas considered wrong by the Catholic Church or disdvantageous to the Catholic Church.
- Lob ...[text shortened]... nda and doesn't operate in the political domain, then he does not understand what politics is.

If generalissimo thinks the Catholic Church doesn't have a clear political agenda and doesn't operate in the political domain, then he does not understand what politics is.

The church teaches what they think is right, its up to the people to decide whether or not to be agaisnt abortion and all the rest.

I think I understand more about politics than you ever will.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I was just applying your argument. It is indeed ridiculous, but only because the original argument was.

How was it ridiculous?

The republican party is not a religion.

Originally posted by generalissimo
How was it ridiculous?

The republican party is not a religion.

Neither is the administration of the Catholic Church.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Neither is the administration of the Catholic Church.

The church is a religious institution, unlike the republican party.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Let him talk when he knows what he's talking about.

Could we say that this assertion is rather true of most contributors to this forum?

How many posts are comprised simply of the assertion"I'm right and you are wrong," without any substantive information with which to support the assertion?

How many posts are intended merely as automatic gainsaying of what someone else with a contrary view (i.e., I'm right, and not you)_has asserted?

How many posters here take the time and trouble to learn something about that which they opine?

Originally posted by generalissimo
The church is a religious institution, unlike the republican party.

Are you really going to stick to your assertion on page one of this thread that "[The Pope] isn't a politician."?

Originally posted by Scriabin
How many posts are comprised simply of the assertion"I'm right and you are wrong," without any substantive information with which to support the assertion?

KazetNagorra and I have been trying our best.

But that generalissimo is just so odd.

Originally posted by FMF
Are you really going to stick to your assertion on page one of this thread that "[The Pope] isn't a politician."?

Yes.

Originally posted by FMF
KazetNagorra and I have been trying our best.

But that generalissimo is just so odd.

I don't think Im odd.

In fact I find it funny to hear you calling me odd, since you're the strangest poster here.

Originally posted by FMF
KazetNagorra and I have been trying our best.

But that generalissimo is just so odd.

Did I say or imply ALL posts were mere assertions of that limited, and not very interesting nature?

Would you be willing to accept the idea that I want to see debate according to more rational, reasonable and disinterested terms?

What would a debate be like here if all participants in a thread eschewed obfuscatory tacitics related to their own sense of security/insecurity, of being right or wrong, and all accepted every participant as a seeker of truth?

Could we do that by saying, in one way or another, each time we post, "well, I've heard that ... and I am convinced (or not) by that -- what do you thiink"?