Originally posted by spurs73Your religious fanaticism is screwing up you ability to think clearly.
of course he is.. thats a fact
A fact can never be something that is predicted to happen in the future. Until that day arrives when Christ returns, it remains speculation ... a belief held by Christians ... not yet fact.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Even if we go ahead and grant that a prediction can be a fact (eg, "Jesus will return to earth" or "when I toss it in the air the golf ball will return to earth" ) these speculative facts lack the weight of truth until they are confirmed. My guess is that Jesus already returned to the earth when he decomposed.
Your religious fanaticism is screwing up you ability to think clearly.
A fact can never be something that is predicted to happen in the future. Until that day arrives when Christ returns, it remains speculation ... a belief held by Christians ... not yet fact.
As for me, I'm gonna return to the store and pick me up some of those magic underpants.
As a devout Mormon (and a Democrat)....I agree.....Harry Reid is an outstanding Senator in my opinion.....the answer to your question is that Mormons vote very highly Republican as you know (due to conservative beliefs against abortion, homosexuality, etc.). I live in probably the "reddest" county in Utah.....I like to think I'm open-minded and like Romney, but voted for Hillary (absentee vote in) in the primary because I think she can do the most good in office for the most people (plus she works harder than any other candidate and is on the smartest in my opinion).
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyHere are the Unitarian articles of Faith:
Here are the mormon articles of faith.
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordi ...[text shortened]... these things.
a more thorough analysis is offered at:
http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1
1) There are no Unitarian articles of Faith. What you believe is entirely up to you. You want to hold 68% Mormon beliefs, 13% Catholic, and 19% Buddhist? That's fine.
2) Religion is personal. Beliefs and creeds are individual. The Unitarian "Church" exists because religion does help people. And since most things are what you make of them, the Church exists to challenge you and help you discover what it is you truly beleive.
The roots of Unitarianism go back to the Arian controversy (~325 AD), which debated whether or not Jesus was divine. The view of Athanasius -- that God was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, hence a Trinity -- won out. The group that held that Jesus was great but not divine (Unitarians, as distinguished from Trinitarians) survived the Middle Ages mostly in Hungary and Romania.
So Unitarianism existed long before the Protestant reformation and always had this rational slant (How can God be Three AND One???) Since then, the religion has generalized the Rationality principle, so that there is today no contradiction between atheism or agnosticism and Unitarianism. Whatever creed you hold is individual and applies only to you. We look instead to the basic principles that creeds are founded on.
So it is a "next generation" religion, which the vast majority of people simply aren't ready for. And yet is was quite popular in colonial America (those great rationalists) -- Jefferson, Franklin, etc.
So Bible-thumping US conservatives owe their excellent Constitution and magnificent governmental system of democracy with checks and balances to a bunch of rational, Unitarian, free-thinkers -- not to fire-and-brimstone Puritan ministers (who would have been the LEAST likely people to propose a Bill of Rights).
Originally posted by spoon15Masonic tradition comes from old testamnet beliefs, Also the founders of LDS were all freemasons, I've read about the temple ceremonies, and yes they were most definitely lifted from freemasonry. There parts of those ceremonies that can come from no other place.
Not to have a big debate about the Mormon garments, but sorry much older than Masonic beliefs.....Clear back to Old Testament times.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyMy guess is the same reason that blacks, hispanics, and to an extent, women do. If the candidate has the same skin color and/or heritage as the voter, that's good enough for them. I'm not sure the ovary factor is as strong, though. Hillary is just shrill enough to lose the female vote.
As a "reluctant atheist" and a recovering mormon, there is one thing that really, really bothers me about Mitt Romney and his run for office.
Right up front, let me say that he is my choice and I will support him with money and effort because he is the closest thing to a non-demagogue that we have in the field.
Here is the part that bothers me: I ...[text shortened]... omney is the best free-marketeer or I would have to think myself crazy for supporting him.
Originally posted by PinkFloydAgreed.
My guess is the same reason that blacks, hispanics, and to an extent, women do. If the candidate has the same skin color and/or heritage as the voter, that's good enough for them. I'm not sure the ovary factor is as strong, though. Hillary is just shrill enough to lose the female vote.
Originally posted by duecerOh, my achin' ass. Again with the "chariots of the mason gods". Masons have been around since the Middle Ages at best. There is no mason tradition in the Bible--New NOR Old Testament. They may be a quasi religious group. They may just be a bunch of guys who like to eat hot dogs and drink beer down at the lodge. But the bottom line is that they are harmless and, most assuredly NOT, biblically noted.
Masonic tradition comes from old testamnet beliefs, Also the founders of LDS were all freemasons, I've read about the temple ceremonies, and yes they were most definitely lifted from freemasonry. There parts of those ceremonies that can come from no other place.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI am Mormon myself - been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for around 15 years now. I never have looked at someone and their religion when I decide who I vote for. I know Mitt Romney is Mormon, although that does not mean I will vote for him. I always vote for whom I feel would be the best person to lead this country, regardless of his/her religious beliefs.
As a "reluctant atheist" and a recovering mormon, there is one thing that really, really bothers me about Mitt Romney and his run for office.
Right up front, let me say that he is my choice and I will support him with money and effort because he is the closest thing to a non-demagogue that we have in the field.
Here is the part that bothers me: I ...[text shortened]... omney is the best free-marketeer or I would have to think myself crazy for supporting him.
Originally posted by PinkFloydbeing a mason, and having actually done some research on the matter, I can tell you this: you are wrong on many accounts. The tradition of guilds predates Christ. Historically, the builders guild has always been one of the most influential. The temple of King Solomon did not get built by scab labor, it was built by Hiram Abiff, and tradesmen from all over Tyre and Israel. There is no conclusive evidence that those builders have a direct lineage of tradition, but it is not inconcievable that some connection existed.
Oh, my achin' ass. Again with the "chariots of the mason gods". Masons have been around since the Middle Ages at best. There is no mason tradition in the Bible--New NOR Old Testament. They may be a quasi religious group. They may just be a bunch of guys who like to eat hot dogs and drink beer down at the lodge. But the bottom line is that they are harmless and, most assuredly NOT, biblically noted.
As far as the temple rituals in LDS, having gone through my masonic degrees, and done some reading on the subject of Mormanism as it relates to freemasonry, there is a definite link.
http://www.geocities.com/swickersc/mormonmason.html