NAFTA was only good for large corporate investors and stockholders. Thats the bottom line. It did nothing for trade, but everything for investment. It moved large manufacturing plants into mexico and further promoted rampant consumerism which caused a loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector and a dramatic increase in the gap between the rich and the poor.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou see no correlation between having people work for slave wages, poverty and thuggish behaviour?
Of course it does! The gang members are dirtbags, shav. They hurt people. Shouldn't we protect ourselves from violent thugs?
The guys outside the Home Depot are fine as far as that goes (minor issues like tax avoidance and minimum wage avoidance etc), but how can we exclude one and not the other?
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Originally posted by shavixmirSlaves don't get wages.
You see no correlation between having people work for slave wages, poverty and thuggish behaviour?
You don't see a correlation between people being thugs and being poor? And you think I should want these dirtbags climbing on my elderly parents' roof, spraying their gang logos in the name of "social justice" or something?
You seem to think wealth is more immoral than thuggery. I don't understand you. They're coming here exactly because we have wealth!
There are TONS of jobs that need workers in the US. SKILLED workers. The Baby Boom's retirement is leaving tons of really good jobs empty. How come these fools are putting their energy into thuggery instead of becoming skilled? Why should I reward that choice?
I can't vote in Mexico. There are no large political blocs in Mexico voting to join the US. These people are not claiming asylum.
I grew up around these people. My Dad employs illegal immigrants who don't speak English. Several do construction for him. One is my parents' maid.
And then there's my cousin, in prison for being an 18 Street murderer. Half of his homies in 18th Street are not really his "homies" - they're not from his home neighborhood. They're not from anywhere near 18th Street. They're running from the Mexicans (look at what's going on in Tijuana - gunfights between gangs and the government forces!). These are predatory thugs that even Mexico is trying to get rid of.
It is impossible to support an exponentially growing population who won't follow the free market and do what they need to do to be a useful member of the economy. They keep breeding and demanding more from people who actually work. Poverty perpetuates itself. I choose not to have a child for many reasons, including financial. Why should I support fifty kids (and those kids' kids) whose parents are on the lam from Mexico and are hiding from the men who look out for me and mine (the police)? And when they're found, they USE ASSAULT RIFLES ON THE POLICE!? They shoot at Daddies walking their babies home from school?!
My school just expelled a kid who liked to tag on the furniture: "Mexicans don't die, we multiply!" He was failing out of school and cussed out one of the teachers. He's a really charming kid, but he has a crappy attitude. I don't want to support his children.
That's what you want for me and mine? To be the workhorses of a thug warlord? Shall I be a peasant, serving my Mexican ghetto-trash Duke? Um, no.
Originally posted by smw6869Don't feel too embarrassed. My wife saw the post before I submitted it and asked, "Do you think they'll realize you're joking?" I'm getting a little too good with my sarcasm these days, I guess.
Ah.....NEVERMIND!!!!!!!!!
GRANNY.
It's just that I believe we are being 'sold' these types of governmental policies, while the true agenda behind them remains veiled, and the media is complicit. For example, there is so much propaganda spouted about the need for national security, and so they push things like the Patriot Act, the REAL ID Act, and other legislation infringing on the civil rights and privacy of citizens of this country, and yet they refuse to simply enforce our borders. And it seems many are dupes and don't even recognize that their words and actions aren't lining up and that there is something else going on here, a veiled agenda.
So back to the subject at hand. NAFTA was really just the beginning. Look what's been happening in the last couple of years: the Security and Prosperity Partnership for North America (SPP), and the plans for a North American Union, the Trans-Texas Corridor, etc. These are the reasons why the borders aren't being enforced - these are the veiled agendas. More and more, mark these words, we are going to be increasingly propagandized into believing there are regional and global solutions necessary to overcome the problems we're encountering, thus my sarcasm about needing to think like 'citizens of the world', in the previous post. They are creating the chaos in order to implement their predetermined solutions - a one world economic and governmental system. The erosion and undermining of national sovereignty is already well underway. In the USA, those sworn to uphold our Constitution and to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic, are the very ones undermining it. Dark days are upon us and before us, but there is hope ...
Originally posted by AThousandYoungthe general consensus was "Wal-mart". I'm no economics expert and don't pretend to understand the logic, but it was explained to me that, at one time, the manufacturer created his wares, set prices, and buyers either bought them or chose not to. Now however, WalMart TELLS manufacturers to make them this or that "for V dollars", thus having usurped the authority to price the goods.
How come our textile industry couldn't compete?
My response was (and still is), if WalMart (or Target,etc.) says "we want 10000 sheets but we'll only pay you X dollars AND we'll backchatge you if you don't package them and stack them on pallets in a certain way", you tell WalMart to take a hike.
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Originally posted by PinkFloydThe reason our textile industry couldn't compete is because many, many Americans have become spoiled and lazy.
the general consensus was "Wal-mart". I'm no economics expert and don't pretend to understand the logic, but it was explained to me that, at one time, the manufacturer created his wares, set prices, and buyers either bought them or chose not to. Now however, WalMart TELLS manufacturers to make them this or that "for V dollars", thus having usurped the a ge them and stack them on pallets in a certain way", you tell WalMart to take a hike.
Originally posted by PinkFloydThe American textile industry couldn't compete because American businessmen decided the American textile industry wasn't the right textile industry for the job. They were not competitive and so they had problems. Well, become competitive then! Don't whine about it.
the general consensus was "Wal-mart". I'm no economics expert and don't pretend to understand the logic, but it was explained to me that, at one time, the manufacturer created his wares, set prices, and buyers either bought them or chose not to. Now however, WalMart TELLS manufacturers to make them this or that "for V dollars", thus having usurped the a ...[text shortened]... ge them and stack them on pallets in a certain way", you tell WalMart to take a hike.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungi do not whine; i merely report what I have heard.
The American textile industry couldn't compete because American businessmen decided the American textile industry wasn't the right textile industry for the job. They were not competitive and so they had problems. Well, become competitive then! Don't whine about it.
Originally posted by dizzyfingersYou're doing nothing of the sort, dear dizzyfingers. If you're going to be ironic/sarcastic don't just bottle out minutes later because one person didn't get it. Let it dangle there. Let people get the wrong of the stick. Let it do its sarcastic work. Don't just jump in less than an hour afterwards and explain that you were being sarcastic. That's the cringe-worthy moment; half-@rsed, lumpen irony, immediately explained and 'apologised' for. Good grief.
I'm getting a little too good with my sarcasm these days, I guess.
Originally posted by FMFHeh. Pointedly said, but makes sense.
You're doing nothing of the sort, dear dizzyfingers. If you're going to be ironic/sarcastic don't just bottle out minutes later because one person didn't get it. Let it dangle there. Let people get the wrong of the stick. Let it do its sarcastic work. Don't just jump in less than an hour afterwards and explain that you were being sarcastic. That's ...[text shortened]... half-@rsed, lumpen irony, immediately explained and 'apologised' for. Good grief.
Originally posted by FMFI am clearly an inexperienced practitioner of the sarcastic post. Oh, well 😕
You're doing nothing of the sort, dear dizzyfingers. If you're going to be ironic/sarcastic don't just bottle out minutes later because one person didn't get it. Let it dangle there. Let people get the wrong of the stick. Let it do its sarcastic work. Don't just jump in less than an hour afterwards and explain that you were being sarcastic. That's ...[text shortened]... half-@rsed, lumpen irony, immediately explained and 'apologised' for. Good grief.
