15 May 22
From the Reuters article below:
"He added that Turkey was not threatening anybody or seeking leverage but speaking out especially about Sweden's support for the PKK Kurdish militant group, deemed a terrorist group by Turkey, the European Union and the United States."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-lays-demands-finland-sweden-121339885.html
That is interesting.
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15 May 22
@no1marauder saidYes. Yes, you are one.
This is like talking to children.
Your arrogance only makes you look even more pathetic.
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15 May 22
@sonhouse saidAnd he isn't going to get it, because his paymaster, by now, is broke.
@Metal-Brain
My guess is Erdogan is waiting for a big BIG payday to his personal account....
15 May 22
@kevcvs57 saidI'll skip over your continual lies that I somehow support Russia's invasion. By now, you surely know this is a falsehood, so your repetition of that claim is simply a lame tactic that you suppose bolsters the weak "arguments" you present.
Well if you are perfectly aware of it why are you in favour of giving Putin carte blanch to do exactly that in Central and Eastern Europe?
What I find amusing is rational people trying to advocate for Putin whilst trying to retain a semblance of rationality.
Putin needs to be stopped, and he needs to be stopped in Ukraine
I’ll let you into a well known fact concerning re ...[text shortened]... he body politic of its individual constituent states.
In short NATO is not your boogeyman, you are!
Of course, NATO has become a figleaf for aggressive neocon policy to ensure Western world domination. Glad you finally noticed that, but surely Russia's leaders picked up on that little tidbit a few decades before you did. That is a good reason for its abolition, not its expansion. Bilateral mutual defense treaties would be preferable to retaining NATO.
15 May 22
@shallow-blue saidFrom the link below:
And he isn't going to get it, because his paymaster, by now, is broke.
"Secretary of State Antony Blinken and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg have also sought to downplay Erdogan's comments. Both Blinken and Stoltenberg suggested on Sunday that Turkey's concerns could be worked out.
"I'm confident that we will be able to address the concerns that Turkey has expressed in a way that doesn't delay the membership or the accession process," Stoltenberg told reporters, per Politico Europe. "My intention is still to have a quick and swift process."
https://www.businessinsider.com/finnish-president-astonished-turkey-might-block-our-nato-application-2022-5
He will get it.
@no1marauder saidYour arguing that Putin’s wish list be granted in so far as you want the west to stop supporting Ukraine and NATO out of Eastern and Central Europe.
I'll skip over your continual lies that I somehow support Russia's invasion. By now, you surely know this is a falsehood, so your repetition of that claim is simply a lame tactic that you suppose bolsters the weak "arguments" you present.
Of course, NATO has become a figleaf for aggressive neocon policy to ensure Western world domination. Glad you finally noticed that, ...[text shortened]... olition, not its expansion. Bilateral mutual defense treaties would be preferable to retaining NATO.
How is my claim that you support Russias invasion and constant attacks on the west a falsehood?
It’s very odd that the same guy who spent four years railing about Russian election meddling suddenly thinks that Russia is the victim of the west rather than its constant tormentor.
I’ll remind you again that no one, least of all Ukraine, has attacked Russia in any way shape or form and there is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting a nation financially, politically and in military ordinance that is fighting for its physical survival.
The war will be over when Russia leaves Ukraine in peace.
@kevcvs57 saidThe first sentence is a distortion. The second sentence is an out and out lie no matter how many times you tell it.
Your arguing that Putin’s wish list be granted in so far as you want the west to stop supporting Ukraine and NATO out of Eastern and Central Europe.
How is my claim that you support Russias invasion and constant attacks on the west a falsehood?
It’s very odd that the same guy who spent four years railing about Russian election meddling suddenly thinks that Russia is the v ...[text shortened]... at is fighting for its physical survival.
The war will be over when Russia leaves Ukraine in peace.
What I want is a negotiated end to the war. It would have been better to have these negotiations before the war in response to the Russian proposals floated in December but that ship has sailed. Sending massive amounts of military supplies to the Ukraine merely increases the chances of a long, drawn out destructive war for reasons I've already stated - the West should be looking for a way to support a ceasefire and negotiations rather than pushing for an unlikely military defeat of Russia.
I want NATO abolished so I want it out of Eastern, Central, Southern, Northern Europe and wherever else it is.
You know I don't support Russia's invasion, so why keep lying about it?
I don't support the aggressive Western neocon policy of world domination and I make no apology for that position. Your justifications for various actions by NATO and its member States to overthrow governments and redraw territories are either childish in their naivete or blatantly dishonest.
17 May 22
@no1marauder saidYour proposition seems to imply that nato is alone in its geopolitical machinations, why are you not just as scornful concerning Chinas or your beloved Russia’s meddling
The first sentence is a distortion. The second sentence is an out and out lie no matter how many times you tell it.
What I want is a negotiated end to the war. It would have been better to have these negotiations before the war in response to the Russian proposals floated in December but that ship has sailed. Sending massive amounts of military supplies to the Ukraine ...[text shortened]... hrow governments and redraw territories are either childish in their naivete or blatantly dishonest.
Why should Russia be given free reign in Europe, oh yeah I guess you do not have to live there huh!
Your arrogance and hypocrisy knows no bounds. I’ve told you before it’s your leaders that have dragged nato countries into other peoples sovereign territory and and if they cannot they form a ‘coalition of the willing’ now you insist that Ukrainians pay the price for your foreign policy adventures.
You do not want a negotiated settlement because if you did you would be on the same page as posters like myself and vivify, what you clearly hoped for and apparently still do is a Russian victory parade through Kyiv because without the support of nato and the west in terms of munitions that is the inevitable outcome.
Putin will have to be dragged to the negotiating table. How many times does Putin have to tell you that western democracies are his enemy before you accept that western democracies are entitled to view him in the same way and do whatever is necessary to defeat an enemy.
17 May 22
@metal-brain saidThe Swedes and Finns putting the PKK on a terrorist list seems to be the concession Erdogan is looking for.
From the Reuters article below:
"He added that Turkey was not threatening anybody or seeking leverage but speaking out especially about Sweden's support for the PKK Kurdish militant group, deemed a terrorist group by Turkey, the European Union and the United States."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-lays-demands-finland-sweden-121339885.html
That is interesting.
It makes sense that if you want to join a military alliance, you probably have to stop backing a group that is fighting to claim a significant portion of an existing member's territory.
18 May 22
@no1marauder saidBut the PKK is on the USA's terrorist as well list according to an article I posted previously on this thread. Remember? It is not unusual for the USA to support terrorists when it serves their interests. The USA supports Al Qaeda in Syria for example. Did you hear Biden put troops back into Somalia? That was one of the 7 countries he said the USA planned to take out. I wonder when they will take out Sudan.
The Swedes and Finns putting the PKK on a terrorist list seems to be the concession Erdogan is looking for.
It makes sense that if you want to join a military alliance, you probably have to stop backing a group that is fighting to claim a significant portion of an existing member's territory.
https://rumble.com/v1518vt-biden-sends-troops-back-to-somalia-reversing-trump-withdrawal.html
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mainstream-media-begins-calling-expel-turkey-nato-finland-sweden-seek-entry
@metal-brain saidCalm down children we all know that the term ‘terrorist’ is one used by the powerful against the powerless.
But the PKK is on the USA's terrorist as well list according to an article I posted previously on this thread. Remember? It is not unusual for the USA to support terrorists when it serves their interests. The USA supports Al Qaeda in Syria for example. Did you hear Biden put troops back into Somalia? That was one of the 7 countries he said the USA planned to take out. I w ...[text shortened]... rohedge.com/geopolitical/mainstream-media-begins-calling-expel-turkey-nato-finland-sweden-seek-entry
‘One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’ But I guess if it suits Putin and Erdogan those two well known peaceful innocents it’s all good huh
19 May 22
@Shallow-Blue
Who would that paymaster be? If it is the US, I imagine they could supply him with a few hundred mil tomorrow.
29 May 22
@sonhouse saidStop being so paranoid. Nobody has to pay people to express an opinion.
@Shallow-Blue
Who would that paymaster be? If it is the US, I imagine they could supply him with a few hundred mil tomorrow.