Originally posted by KazetNagorraWhat is your theory then?
I can go to bed at night without locking my door. I guess your brand of christianity is really popular here (hint: it's not).
I must commend you whodey, out of all the absurd things you have posted on this forum, a causal link between lack of prayer in schools and mass shootings must rank way up there in ridiculousness.
Originally posted by Proper KnobThere is a small decline in households with guns percentage-wise, and as you point out more guns owned by those who do own them.
I thought the data showed that over the last 30 years the number of gun owners and percentage of households with guns had declined?!
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.html?iref=allsearch
Curiously the number of guns owned has gone up.
During the same period, a great many more State don't restrict concealed carry anymore. Again, side by side comparison can't result in any proof of causation.
Originally posted by Proper KnobA lot of it lies in the wall to wall coverage criminal events get in our news media. If it bleeds, it leads. This was of course true of Newspapers, but they were published daily. The TV and radio blare this stuff 24/7, and when you tire of that there is always the internet.
The question is why do people not feel safer? It's interesting that in the UK, crime; and pretty much all crime, is on the decrease and is at it's lowest rate for 10 years or more. Yet in surveys where people are asked about their perception of crime they think exactly the opposite. Crime is going down yet they think things are getting worse.
Originally posted by whodeyAbout the increasing prevalence of mass shootings? I don't think extreme exceptional events initiated by loony people reflect on a society in general, really. Perhaps the increased prevalence is partially due to increased media exposure which causes suicidal crazy people to be more likely to go out with a "bang".
What is your theory then?
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraBen Franklin once wrote, "The Constitution is likely to be well administered for a coarse of years, and can only end in despotism as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become corrupt as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other".
About the increasing prevalence of mass shootings? I don't think extreme exceptional events initiated by loony people reflect on a society in general, really. Perhaps the increased prevalence is partially due to increased media exposure which causes suicidal crazy people to be more likely to go out with a "bang".
Take any perfect form of government or any perfect ideology for that matter, and give it to a morally bankrupt society and they will defecate on it.
In terms of desoptism, as laws increase liberty decreases. I find it telling that the government passed over 40,000 laws and regulations last year. Pretty soon we may feel the need to hire private body gaurds to guard our homes.
Originally posted by whodeyThe amount of laws itself has little bearing on "liberty". Some laws are not or only barely enforced, applicable in very limited cases or simply obsolete. But what does your story have to do with mass shootings?
Ben Franklin once wrote, "The Constitution is likely to be well administered for a coarse of years, and can only end in despotism as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become corrupt as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other".
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraGive an example of a law that does not infringe upon ones liberty.
The amount of laws itself has little bearing on "liberty". Some laws are not or only barely enforced, applicable in very limited cases or simply obsolete. But what does your story have to do with mass shootings?
I would like to provide another favorite quote of mine by the Father of the Contitution, James Madison.
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our mankind for self government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments".
Silly old fart.
Originally posted by sh76So religion for leftists is simply a thing of convenience. That's the conclusion that I reached while watching the news coverage of the event. All of a sudden churches have a place of respect, but only when we are mourning the dead. Hypocrites one and all.
As soon as Presdient Obama started quoting scripture last night I turned on the mute button and waited for the Pats-SF game to come back. Wake me up when we get to policy discussion. I don't care what you think God thinks about the wanton murder of children.
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I applaud you for rejecting religion altogether.
Originally posted by sh76People often turn to religion in tragic times, which is why the US military provides chaplains. Since the large majority of military members are Christian the vast majority of Chaplains are of some Christian denomination.
As soon as Presdient Obama started quoting scripture last night I turned on the mute button and waited for the Pats-SF game to come back. Wake me up when we get to policy discussion. I don't care what you think God thinks about the wanton murder of children.
Anyway, I noticed a cartoon making the rounds on Facebook of a bunch of children in a classroom in th ...[text shortened]... l, the vast majority of independent'e developed societies developed some sort of religion.
I don't have a problem with his religion being referenced in this context. When politicians start talking about "The bible says.." when talking about legislation, that is when I stop listening.
Originally posted by whodeyThe irony here is that you almost revere the founding fathers (who in many cases adamantly disagreed with each other) almost the point of being a religion.
Give an example of a law that does not infringe upon ones liberty.
I would like to provide another favorite quote of mine by the Father of the Contitution, James Madison.
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our mankind for self government; upon the ca ...[text shortened]... control ourselves to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments".
Silly old fart.
Some of the founding fathers, including George Washington owned slaves. Shall we follow suit? I mean the founding fathers thought it was OK, right?
They were living in scarcely populated colonies completely void of any modern technology, with no modern means of communication, travel or infrastructure. What would the founding fathers' thoughts be on the High Performance Computing Act of 1991?
As Bill Hicks pointed out: there's no difference between not owning a gun and not shooting someone and owning a gun and shooting someone, and you're a fool and a communist if you think there is.
That being said (having weapons at one's disposal to carry out one's mental melt-down), I've not actually seen any research as to the 'why' these mental melt-downs are actually happening.
One would think, considering the frequency it happens in the US, that they would be thoroughly researching the causes of this madness.