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@no1marauder said
My post didn't say anything about "infection rates".

We have deaths and those in serious/critical conditions on that website. We also have hospitalizations though that data is a bit harder to find.

Your statement that "All we have is test positive rates" is false.
Of course we have death rates, but still those people need to test positive to get counted. There could be other uncounted deaths.

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@petewxyz said
@Torunn This could be based on ignorance but I think the population density is quite a bit lower in Sweden, but I don't know if that applies to cities. Maybe they feel that makes social distancing a more realistic option? Mind you as I write that it makes no sense to me because winter viruses must pass through Swedish cities the same as anywhere else. If it were me I would b ...[text shortened]... ven self isolate for a few weeks until it becomes clearer whether they have got the approach wrong??
Stockholm is the biggest city with a population of approximately 1.6 million in the urban area so that makes it a risk zone, Gothenburg second. We may be naive as is often considered the case, and I don't understand the strategy either. Self isolate is something not all can do, myself for instance. But I do what I can.

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It is: Norway has about 1/2 the population of Sweden, but it has only 97 serious/critical cases of the virus, compared to Sweden's 306. Moreover, since yesterday Norway has had 6 deaths and an increase of 6 in the s/c cases while Sweden has had 36 deaths and an increase of 51 in s/c cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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@torunn said
Self isolate is something not all can do, myself for instance.
then you should be arrested and confined for putting your fellow citizens at risk.. Bad form !

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@ogb said
then you should be arrested and confined for putting your fellow citizens at risk.. Bad form !
There is a family to help taking care of - that is not illegal here..

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@torunn said
There is a family to help take care of - that is not illegal here..
Do whatever is safely best for your family Torunn.
And please do not exclude yourself from the same essential precautions.

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@wolfe63 said
Do whatever is safely best for your family Torunn.
And please do not exclude yourself from the same essential precautions.
Thank you Wolfe. I am as careful as is possible under the circumstances.

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@torunn said
Stockholm is the biggest city with a population of approximately 1.6 million in the urban area so that makes it a risk zone, Gothenburg second. We may be naive as is often considered the case, and I don't understand the strategy either. Self isolate is something not all can do, myself for instance. But I do what I can.
It very well may be that governments interfering by closing down businesses results in no better outcomes from countries like yours that don't

We shall see.

Either way, people either have common sense like you or they don't.

My guess is that there will be very little difference.

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@whodey said
It very well may be that governments interfering by closing down businesses results in no better outcomes from countries like yours that don't

We shall see.

Either way, people either have common sense like you or they don't.

My guess is that there will be very little difference.
Well we can take the "guess" of rabid, ignorant right wing internet posters or the advice of public health experts.

Tough choice.

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@no1marauder said
Well we can take the "guess" of rabid, ignorant right wing internet posters or the advice of public health experts.

Tough choice.
So what is your answer to the problem other than elect dementia Joe who did not want to stop immigration from China after the world realized the reality of the virus?

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I'm not going to engage in the morbid practice of updating these stats every day but Sweden's daily death toll was 34 and her serious/critical case load increased by 52. Norway, on the other hand, had 7 deaths and exactly the same number of serious/critical cases as yesterday. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It seems rather clear which strategy for stopping the spread of the virus is superior.

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@whodey said
It very well may be that governments interfering by closing down businesses results in no better outcomes from countries like yours that don't

My guess is that there will be very little difference.
Infection rates are likely going to be the same.
The question is does the health system have the capacity to deal with
its population getting seriously sick over a short time? Or can it cope
better if those cases are spread out over several months?

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@wolfgang59 said
Infection rates are likely going to be the same.
The question is does the health system have the capacity to deal with
its population getting seriously sick over a short time? Or can it cope
better if those cases are spread out over several months?
Why would infection rates be the same? The goal of shutting down certain businesses is to prevent the spread of the virus by minimizing contact between persons; are you suggesting this isn't a sound strategy?