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  1. 27 Sep '10 19:44
    income tax is a personal tax on individual labor.

    what justification is there for not making it apply to every adult?

    why not drop tax rates by 50 or 70 pct, and make a tax of a certain number of hours of each adult to be donated to the common good? picking weeds, shining the statue of General Doworthy, trimming (ok, hacking) down the legal codes, monitoring border cameras, etc., etc.?

    why should Bill Gates get off with just donating money? he's got too much of it, it's easy for him!
  2. 27 Sep '10 19:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    income tax is a personal tax on individual labor.

    what justification is there for not making it apply to every adult?

    why not drop tax rates by 50 or 70 pct, and make a tax of a certain number of hours of each adult to be donated to the common good? picking weeds, shining the statue of General Doworthy, trimming (ok, hacking) down the legal codes, m ...[text shortened]... d Bill Gates get off with just donating money? he's got too much of it, it's easy for him!
    Bring back the draft. The appetite for war would surely decrease. (Of course that would be Communism, and Fascism, and Socialism, and Any-darn-ism the rich could think of to keep their taxes low and their children safe.)
  3. 27 Sep '10 19:51 / 1 edit
    what justification is there for not making it apply to every adult?

    lack of votes?
  4. 27 Sep '10 19:58
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    Bring back the draft. The appetite for war would surely decrease. (Of course that would be Communism, and Fascism, and Socialism, and Any-darn-ism the rich could think of to keep their taxes low and their children safe.)
    we already have a compulsion. it's called taxation of income. making it liquid (easy, pain-free deductions from paychecks) doesn't change the fact that it's hours of labor being exchanged.
  5. 27 Sep '10 19:59
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    [b]what justification is there for not making it apply to every adult?

    lack of votes?[/b]
    it could be. i think that it's a lot more likely that the Government likes a revenue stream it can cloud, as opposed to one it couldn't, much. think of all the govt employees that would have to be laid off if this idea is made into law.

    are there any massive layoffs going on the public sector?
  6. 27 Sep '10 20:00
    ps to TJ: wikisearch Tax Freedom Day if you like.
  7. 27 Sep '10 20:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    we already have a compulsion. it's called taxation of income. making it liquid (easy, pain-free deductions from paychecks) doesn't change the fact that it's hours of labor being exchanged.
    I don't think you are compelled to remain a citizen. I for one would be glad to see you go. Don't let the door strike you on the way out.

    On the other hand, since you've apparently chosen to remain, why are you not in uniform?
  8. 27 Sep '10 20:02
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    it could be. i think that it's a lot more likely that the Government likes a revenue stream it can cloud, as opposed to one it couldn't, much. think of all the govt employees that would have to be laid off if this idea is made into law.

    are there any massive layoffs going on the public sector?
    how would they do that? skim off a revenue stream composed of pure labor as opposed to a revenue stream composed of labor converted to dollars?

    you can only resurface the county commissioner's private road so many times. and lots of times they get fingered. i can imagine the chance of getting busted on this would be a lot higher if the workers are paying their tax dues instead of being on the public salary dole.
  9. 27 Sep '10 20:03
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    I don't think you are compelled to remain a citizen. I for one would be glad to see you go. Don't let the door strike you on the way out.

    On the other hand, since you've apparently chosen to remain, why are you not in uniform?
    i forget, what is that called? it's not ad hominem, is it? how does it relate to this thread?
  10. 27 Sep '10 20:06
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    i forget, what is that called? it's not ad hominem, is it? how does it relate to this thread?
    It is called relevant facts. As in, I don't mind enjoying the contributions of others but I am unwilling to do anything myself.
  11. 27 Sep '10 20:08
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    It is called relevant facts. As in, I don't mind enjoying the contributions of others but I am unwilling to do anything myself.
    i didn't say i would be excluded from the labor tax!
  12. 27 Sep '10 20:15
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    i didn't say i would be excluded from the labor tax!
    We'll just have to listen to you whine about it, huh?

    Actually, I think you'd do more good in uniform. I gather from previous conversations that you have very few responsibilities and are young. A perfect candidate! My brother spent 3 years in Vietnam (really Laos and Cambodia) because he didn't want another to have to take his place. My father did extra tours in Korea despite having 5 kids and a wife. If you're not willing to repay such sacrifice should I even waste my time following your links?
  13. 27 Sep '10 20:19
    my idea would reduce govt. the govt we have is really expensive to the people who are directly benefiting from it via contracts or salaries.

    re the rest, you're wrong on most of it and re uniform, i looked into it but i couldn't get in. but here i am VOLUNTEERING for a labor hour draft but you don't like it. where's your consistency?
  14. 27 Sep '10 20:20
    what tee ATs have you got your mouth fixed on?
  15. 27 Sep '10 20:20
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    income tax is a personal tax on individual labor.

    what justification is there for not making it apply to every adult?

    why not drop tax rates by 50 or 70 pct, and make a tax of a certain number of hours of each adult to be donated to the common good? picking weeds, shining the statue of General Doworthy, trimming (ok, hacking) down the legal codes, m ...[text shortened]... d Bill Gates get off with just donating money? he's got too much of it, it's easy for him!
    Ok, question time here ? Are you serious with this, because then I'd be willing to explain why that would be a bad plan, if not, troll on.

    I would be in favour of community service for people on unemployment benefits though.