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  1. SubscriberSuzianne
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    14 Mar '16 11:39
    Originally posted by vivify
    Please...no more goddamned Trump threads. Look at all these threads, which were active within the last two weeks:

    Thread 167579
    Thread 167713
    Thread 167630
    Thread 167682
    Thread 167792
    Thread 167767
    Thread 167791
    Thread 167827
    [threadid]1 ...[text shortened]... hreads people posted in within the last TWO WEEKS.

    No more. For the love of god, no more.
    So you protest Trump threads with your very own Trump thread?
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    14 Mar '16 11:41
    Originally posted by bill718
    "The Donald" loves the limelight, he loves attention, he loves the sound of his own voice. "The Donald's" campaign is one big reality TV show. "The Donald" is the political equivalent of Howard Stern, anything for a photo op. "The Donald" even gives passive encouragement to the violence against those who disagree with him, as well as reporters who cover his ...[text shortened]... ider.com/obama-thanks-trump-for-approval-rating-2016-3?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=referral
    What is sad, is that this entire Republican slate of conservatives is the best they can do? Really?
  3. Standard membervivify
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    14 Mar '16 12:501 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    So you protest Trump threads with your very own Trump thread?
    How else would you protest Trump threads? With a Ben Carson thread?

    Were you brimming in satisfaction at your apparent rapier wit?
  4. Standard membervivify
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    14 Mar '16 13:121 edit
    originally posted by sh76
    Deal with it.

    This is the most significant political story in the United States in the last 50 years.

    September 11th? Clinton's impeachment? Vietnam?
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    14 Mar '16 13:421 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    September 11th? Clinton's impeachment? Vietnam?[/b]
    Americans being monumentally stupid beats all those apparently.

    I personally think it just reflects america going back to normal after the Obama years.
  6. Standard membersh76
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    14 Mar '16 14:00
    Originally posted by vivify
    originally posted by sh76
    [b]Deal with it.

    This is the most significant political story in the United States in the last 50 years.

    September 11th? Clinton's impeachment? Vietnam?[/b]
    Vietnam and 9/11 were not political stories.

    The Clinton impeachment, which ended up doing little to hurt Clinton and mainly backfired and hurt the GOP, was not nearly as significant as would be Donald Trump being elected President and/or becoming the new standard bearer for the Republican party. How the Republican establishment deals with this phenomenon inside of its ranks is more significant than the partisan shouting match over Bill Clinton's dalliances.
  7. Standard membersh76
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    14 Mar '16 14:031 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Those wars weren't political stories?
    So, no politics involved what-so-ever????

    You yanks! You so funny!
    That there are political aspects of the story doesn't make it a political story. A political story is one that primarily is about voting patterns and policy and platforms of the political parties.

    9/11 and the Iraq war were not primarily about politics.
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    14 Mar '16 17:00
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Americans being monumentally stupid beats all those apparently.

    I personally think it just reflects america going back to normal after the Obama years.
    There would be nothing "normal" about Donald Trump being elected President. Nobody in the history of the Republic has ever even been nominated for that position by a major political party who has never held an elected office or high governmental position.

    Foreigners saying how "stupid" Americans supposedly are is a rather tiresome form of bigotry.
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    14 Mar '16 17:44
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    There would be nothing "normal" about Donald Trump being elected President. Nobody in the history of the Republic has ever even been nominated for that position by a major political party who has never held an elected office or high governmental position.

    Foreigners saying how "stupid" Americans supposedly are is a rather tiresome form of bigotry.
    Many other modern democracies have (had) figures similar to Trump but the way in which American parties select their candidates is quite unusual - elsewhere the candidates are usually determined through internal politics. The American system allows a small but vocal minority (scumbag racists) to torpedo a certain party's interests, while the same group usually supports candidates from non-mainstream parties elsewhere, such as UKIP or the Front National.
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    14 Mar '16 17:51
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Many other modern democracies have (had) figures similar to Trump but the way in which American parties select their candidates is quite unusual - elsewhere the candidates are usually determined through internal politics. The American system allows a small but vocal minority (scumbag racists) to torpedo a certain party's interests, while the same group ...[text shortened]... y supports candidates from non-mainstream parties elsewhere, such as UKIP or the Front National.
    I really don't accept the premise that the majority of Trump supporters are mere stupid "scumbag racists".

    It's true the American primary system (which is a rather recent innovation - primaries were not a determining factor until the early 1970s) allows the actual members of the Party to select their Presidential candidate rather than having one selected by the party bosses. Personally I think that is an improvement, not a flaw.
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    14 Mar '16 22:54
    Originally posted by sh76
    That there are political aspects of the story doesn't make it a political story. A political story is one that primarily is about voting patterns and policy and platforms of the political parties.

    9/11 and the Iraq war were not primarily about politics.
    "War is merely a continuation of politics by other means." - Clausewitz
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    15 Mar '16 20:32
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Those wars weren't political stories?
    So, no politics involved what-so-ever????

    You yanks! You so funny!
    It is you Dutch sewer rats that want to make everything American political.
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    15 Mar '16 20:32
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I really don't accept the premise that the majority of Trump supporters are mere stupid "scumbag racists".

    It's true the American primary system (which is a rather recent innovation - primaries were not a determining factor until the early 1970s) allows the actual members of the Party to select their Presidential candidate rather than having one selected by the party bosses. Personally I think that is an improvement, not a flaw.
    Agreed!
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