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The new IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report is out.

Here’s a BBC summary of it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705

It’s a pretty dire affaire. Some of the impact is irreversible (meaning it will take centuries to reverse), humans are primarily responsible, average temperatures are rising, average sea-levels are rising and becoming more acidic and extreme weather conditions are set to get worse.

Now, obviously we have climate change deniers (who, coincidentally, are generally the same people who oppose vaccinations and corona-measures… the mind boggles&hellip😉 but the fact of the matter is, this report is going to have lasting effects on governmental policies the coming years.

So, it is best to read it. And understand what it says.
This Autumn, in Glasgow, there is a major meeting between nations (the follow-up to Paris) where new measures are going to be discussed and they will be implemented.

How will this effect you?
Buying a new car? Buying a new house or adapting the one you already live in? Booking holidays? Short-distance flights?

I strongly advise you all to watch this carefully and plan your investments (what sort of car to buy, solar panels, etc. ) accordingly.

Whether you believe it or not, this is going to have consequences you will feel.


@shavixmir said
The new IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report is out.

Here’s a BBC summary of it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705

It’s a pretty dire affaire. Some of the impact is irreversible (meaning it will take centuries to reverse), humans are primarily responsible, average temperatures are rising, average sea-levels are rising and becomi ...[text shortened]... . ) accordingly.

Whether you believe it or not, this is going to have consequences you will feel.
My favorite kind of climate change 'denier' is the one who doesn't deny it at all. They note that climate change, just like the afternoon rain on a hot summer day, has happened in the past and will happen for all eternity.

But... we humans built roofs that withstand rain. We stay dry. Our brains are very good at inventing solutions for complex problems.

Let's solve this one. It's happening.


@wildgrass said
My favorite kind of climate change 'denier' is the one who doesn't deny it at all. They note that climate change, just like the afternoon rain on a hot summer day, has happened in the past and will happen for all eternity.

But... we humans built roofs that withstand rain. We stay dry. Our brains are very good at inventing solutions for complex problems.

Let's solve this one. It's happening.
Cue the right-wing 'tard viewpoint.


@wildgrass said
Our brains are very good at inventing solutions for complex problems.

Let's solve this one. It's happening.
We've already worked out the solution - it involves reducing carbon emissions. We are, however, proving incredibly bad at putting it into practice.


@teinosuke said
We've already worked out the solution - it involves reducing carbon emissions. We are, however, proving incredibly bad at putting it into practice.
...since everyone thinks "the others should...I want to keep my liefstyle just as it is "


We already know right-wingers deny climate change but I'm sure it goes far deeper than that. I try to strictly rely and provable facts, but allow me just once to put forth my own conspiracy theory:

I doubt oil-exporting powerhouses like Saudi Arabia give a damn about climate change when the solution is drastic reduction or even elimination of the very product that makes you rich.

Oil-rich nations and oil tycoons are much more powerful than we realize. One has to wonder what strings they're pulling behind the scenes to ensure their empires don't crumble. It's quite likely that Saudi Arabia is striking trade deals with nations and businesses around the world in exchange climate-change denying measures. A country like SA has the money to influence the decisions of key people and entities around the world stifle policies that could endanger the fossil-fuel industry.

Evidence of this is already happening with American right-wingers. The major opposition to climate-change initiatives come from corporations who don't want to pay taxes or make changes that will cause them to lose profits. These corporations drive the Republican party to make claims like Obama is a "tyrant" for "forcing" climate change initiatives.

I can only imagine what oil-rich nations are doing to ensure their number one product continues to be so.


@teinosuke said
We've already worked out the solution - it involves reducing carbon emissions. We are, however, proving incredibly bad at putting it into practice.
Yes. But it also involves things like eating far less animals than we already do.

The cattle/beef industry, for example, is a major contributor to climate change. The reasons include methane being put into the air, the amount of water needed to sustain cattle, etc. See this NYT link on the subject:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/climate/meat-industry-climate-impact.html

Cruise ships are less talked about significant contributors to pollution and climate change:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/04/26/cruise-ship-pollution-is-causing-serious-health-and-environmental-problems/?sh=6cb87f9437db

The list goes on. How many people are willing to reduce the amount of beef they eat for the planet? This idea alone invokes derision from people who brand such ideas as nuts. "Give up cruises and stake? Pfft, f...k that.".

The list goes on. NASCAR, though they've slowly started to go green, is one example of many that we can live without, for the sake of the planet.


https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_shellenberger_why_renewables_can_t_save_the_planet?language=en

I have always suspected this, esp regarding wind towers. I do care about climate change but not in that I believe/or not about how much we are to blame, or whether/or not we can fix it, It just makes sense to keep the air clean just for its own sake. No further analysis required. I even hate littering, plain stupid. When I make tea for two, I boil, with intent, 2 cups only, etc etc, I do care, but all this modern day activism seems driven by the big end of town and every bit as corrupt as the corrupt oil companies. Everyone has their own financial interests 1st and foremost.
We are told these days to be scared of every damn thing so I am not worried but I believe in doing the responsible thing and that may or may not be solar and wind etc. BTW, I do have solar panels on my roof.


@shavixmir said
The new IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report is out.

Here’s a BBC summary of it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58130705

It’s a pretty dire affaire. Some of the impact is irreversible (meaning it will take centuries to reverse), humans are primarily responsible, average temperatures are rising, average sea-levels are rising and becomi ...[text shortened]... . ) accordingly.

Whether you believe it or not, this is going to have consequences you will feel.
Humans are not primarily responsible for global warming, but since you used the term "climate change" perhaps you think man is responsible for global cooling as well. Don't you know which term is accurate anymore?

"average sea-levels are rising and becoming more acidic and extreme weather conditions are set to get worse."

What is the average sea level rise per year? 2mm? 3mm?
That is nearly nothing!

The ocean is still alkaline, not acidic. You mean less alkaline, not acidic.
There is no evidence extreme weather conditions are set to get worse. You are not even being specific about which extreme weather conditions. Alarmists often claim it would increase droughts which is bunk. The opposite would happen if the climate gets warmer. More floods, but not droughts. There would generally be less droughts.

Do you believe everything you hear that you prefer to believe?


@wildgrass said
My favorite kind of climate change 'denier' is the one who doesn't deny it at all. They note that climate change, just like the afternoon rain on a hot summer day, has happened in the past and will happen for all eternity.

But... we humans built roofs that withstand rain. We stay dry. Our brains are very good at inventing solutions for complex problems.

Let's solve this one. It's happening.
They are 100% right about that too.


@teinosuke said
We've already worked out the solution - it involves reducing carbon emissions. We are, however, proving incredibly bad at putting it into practice.
You do NOT know that is a solution. There is no evidence CO2 causes global warming. It is a mere hypothesis and nothing more.


@metal-brain said
You do NOT know that is a solution. There is no evidence CO2 causes global warming. It is a mere hypothesis and nothing more.
Another hoax, right ?
Besides, a solution to climate change is just another trojan horse for Socialism.
There ya go, averagejoe, I did it for ya. 😛

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@teinosuke said
We've already worked out the solution - it involves reducing carbon emissions. We are, however, proving incredibly bad at putting it into practice.
That's part of the picture for sure. But slowing climate change is not the same as preventing it. In fact, it is likely that different solutions need to be added to carbon mitigation strategies.

Capitalism won't solve it. We need a global collective framework for keeping our home clean. After seeing the global collective response to a pandemic, which has been a mix of angry finger pointing and conspiracies, I don't have much hope at all.


@vivify said
Yes. But it also involves things like eating far less animals than we already do.

The cattle/beef industry, for example, is a major contributor to climate change. The reasons include methane being put into the air, the amount of water needed to sustain cattle, etc. See this NYT link on the subject:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/climate/meat-industry-climate-impa ...[text shortened]... ly started to go green, is one example of many that we can live without, for the sake of the planet.
The beef dairy industry has a larger carbon footprint than the entire global airline industry.
The transition off beef will be difficult.
But even switching from beef to pork will help significantly.


@mghrn55 said
Another hoax, right ?
Besides, a solution to climate change is just another trojan horse for Socialism.
There ya go, averagejoe, I did it for ya. 😛
No, it is just scientific common sense, you don't blame one thing when there are several factors. How do you know it is not methane?